Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
David,
Would it change your reaction if it was clear that the officers were beyond saving?
Would it change your reaction if it was clear that the officers were beyond saving?
And that is why I suggest letting the BG go. Nothing against the poster directly, you just put it into the shortest sentence<G>! Engage BG until clear, then detain him. Takes some time there. Might take a lot of time. In fact, it has a fairly high potential of turning into hours due to hostage/barricaded suspect, etc. During all that time two officers are down, shot, needing medical attention. Those officers are the main concern to me (after making sure I don't join them), not the BG. We can go get the BG any time. Dpending on the extent of the injury, those officers might be on a very short clock.Well, yeah you bring up a good point. I was going off of the base assumption that this whole deal takes place right in front of my eyes, I engage until dufass stops moving, take his weapon, cuff him with the cops' cuffs, and administer first aid as needed.
Obviously the priority is for the wounded LEOs over trying to catch the criminal if he was wounded and ran away. You have to make judgment calls, and my judgment wouldn't tell me to ignore the wounded LEOs to get in a high speed chase with the criminal. I MAY would follow to the parking lot to get license plates, but rest assured my attention would turn to first aid very quickly.
Given modern medicine I'm not sure how it would be clear, but yes, if their heads were chopped off or something like that where it is obvious there is no hope, then saving their lives as the main priority would be sort of silly. I still don't see getting into a gunfight with the BG as a particularly good response unless you are threatened.Would it change your reaction if it was clear that the officers were beyond saving?
But there is the problem. Your plan is based on everything going right, and that rarely happens. Your scenario is you shoot, BG quits being a problem. What happens when you shoot and BG becomes MORE of a problem? I'd rather go with the "let the BG go away" plan first. If that doesn't work, then we can try the "shoot at BG" plan.I engage until dufass stops moving, take his weapon, cuff him with the cops' cuffs, and administer first aid as needed.
IF he does that, then the scenario changes quite a bit. But how about we wait to see if that is something he wants to try? If he starts to do that, we can then engage, right?Protect officers, maybe their wounded and he is about to try and hit them while there down
Is he any closer than he was before the shooting? And if he is that close, why do you want to give him any added incentive to shoot you? If he is threatening you that is one thing, but if he is not why draw attention to yourself?Protect myself, shooter is CLOSE
How do you know he won't go to prison and be instrumental in finding a cure for cancer? How do you know that if you engage he won't kill more people than if you let him go? How do you know ..................??Protect othjer civilians, how do you know that he wont murder a family to steal their car and escape.
Sounds like somebody just attended a good conference where they learned all sorts of interesting tactical stuff. Gonna fill us in on it??Be aware that there no gurantee that you will win the fight. Tyler Courthose and Tacom Mall incidents should be required reading for those who postulate they will immediately hit the target and win the fight.
Then you try to shoot him, of course.
My question to those who wouldn't shoot in the OP's hypothetical scenario: what happens if he turns the gun on you?
Could you do it under stress, with your heart racing and your blood pressure shooting throgh the roof, with him shooting at you while he is moving? If you can hit him, better plan on him also being able to hit you.Im not an expert marksman but at 10 yards i could hit him point shooting.
I gotta ask, any of you ever been in a fire fight? or been shot? or seen someone die? If not, then how can you say how you would react in that situation? Do you have military or LEO training? I am not talking about security guard stuff. Real guns are not the same as game playing on the TV.