A Challenge to the 870 Express Bashers....
- Thread starter Dave McC
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oneounceload
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Dave- I have no dog in this fight, as I prefer O/U and SxS - but I think you're more correct than wrong.
If someone does a great job for someone, they will tell, on average, 4 friends. If that person does a lousy job, they will, on average, tell 100 friends. I think the analogy works on these gun forums as well.
JMO, YMMV
If someone does a great job for someone, they will tell, on average, 4 friends. If that person does a lousy job, they will, on average, tell 100 friends. I think the analogy works on these gun forums as well.
JMO, YMMV
I have no dog in this fight either...but time and again ... I applaud Dave's civility and patience in making his remarks !
Believe him / or not .....it seems to me he is making a sound argument - and he's willing to fix or buy a gun if you have a problem with it and he can't fix it - at, in my opinion, a fair price for a gun you say doesn't work. I don't understand the animosity .... If you have an 870 with an issue - go see the man ...what would you have to lose ?
Believe him / or not .....it seems to me he is making a sound argument - and he's willing to fix or buy a gun if you have a problem with it and he can't fix it - at, in my opinion, a fair price for a gun you say doesn't work. I don't understand the animosity .... If you have an 870 with an issue - go see the man ...what would you have to lose ?
ScottRiqui
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$200 for a plane ticket plus a rental car? (And I'm just down in Virginia)
I hesitate to jump in here, but...oh well...
I am honestly baffled, totally mystified, by the Remington hatred. *Some* Expresses have issues. That's true of every manufacturer's product, whether it's a gun, a flashlight, a toaster or an automobile. Staying with firearms, there are much more notorious examples that never seemed to generate the vitriol and venom that people like to dish out on the Express. Consider, for example, the Ruger .45LC single actions, which for years and years (and maybe still) left the factory with throats that were (1) badly undersized and (2) varied significantly (in a single cylinder) in size. The result was horrible accuracy. People just shrugged and either lived with it or sent their cylinders out to people like CAS to be reamed. That situation was much more common than the Express "rough chamber" problem...I don't remember reading all the hatred...
I am honestly baffled, totally mystified, by the Remington hatred. *Some* Expresses have issues. That's true of every manufacturer's product, whether it's a gun, a flashlight, a toaster or an automobile. Staying with firearms, there are much more notorious examples that never seemed to generate the vitriol and venom that people like to dish out on the Express. Consider, for example, the Ruger .45LC single actions, which for years and years (and maybe still) left the factory with throats that were (1) badly undersized and (2) varied significantly (in a single cylinder) in size. The result was horrible accuracy. People just shrugged and either lived with it or sent their cylinders out to people like CAS to be reamed. That situation was much more common than the Express "rough chamber" problem...I don't remember reading all the hatred...
ScottRiqui
New member
Actually, the problem with my 870 was just crud/corrosion in the extractor assembly (which probably happened after it left the factory and before being sold to me new).
I was just pointing out the inanity of the challenge, and one likely reason why he hasn't had any takers. Considering the cost of the shotguns in question, anyone that isn't local to Dave is facing a losing proposition, money-wise, whether Dave fixes the gun or buys it.
I was just pointing out the inanity of the challenge, and one likely reason why he hasn't had any takers. Considering the cost of the shotguns in question, anyone that isn't local to Dave is facing a losing proposition, money-wise, whether Dave fixes the gun or buys it.
I'm glad it worked out easy for you Scott.
I always make it a practice to thoroughly strip a new gun down and clean and lube it really well before I take it to the range.../there is often a lot of preservative, etc inside the triggers and actions of new guns / and used guns often have never been stripped down completely.
I always make it a practice to thoroughly strip a new gun down and clean and lube it really well before I take it to the range.../there is often a lot of preservative, etc inside the triggers and actions of new guns / and used guns often have never been stripped down completely.
ScottRiqui
New member
Agreed - I'll know better next time. I cleaned out the barrel, receiver and took it down to clean the bolt, but didn't think to check the extractor.
I was pretty frustrated at the time, because the only answer I could get from the various forums I checked was "rough chamber! rough chamber", when that wasn't my problem. I do have to say that after getting it sorted, I love the heck out of this little 870.
I was pretty frustrated at the time, because the only answer I could get from the various forums I checked was "rough chamber! rough chamber", when that wasn't my problem. I do have to say that after getting it sorted, I love the heck out of this little 870.
Technosavant
New member
I don't get it either. People complain about Remington's lack of innovation. Then they innovate (105 CTi and the improved II model), and people complain that it's too bizarre and too different, and the model is taken off the market.
Granted, not everything I've had from Big Green has been 100%, but I've had one mediocre experience with them and several excellent experiences (including one where they bailed my hiney out from my own stupidity). But some folks just really have it in for Remington.
Personally, I'm just fine with Remington and I'm plenty pleased with them.
None yet, Maromero.
I too wonder about the Rem-hate. Everything I have from them is exemplary in reliability and effectiveness. All first hand input I have FTF is likewise.
Big Jim, thanks. One of my bumper stickers says" Choose Civility In Howard County".
I didn't expect to buy many Expresses. I did hope to find out how widespread owner dissatisfaction was. IMO, that has been answered.
Most,maybe nearly all, Express owners are happy with them.
And IMO, any Expresses that do not work right off the shelf after cleaning and lube SHOULD BE MADE RIGHT BY THE MAKER......
I too wonder about the Rem-hate. Everything I have from them is exemplary in reliability and effectiveness. All first hand input I have FTF is likewise.
Big Jim, thanks. One of my bumper stickers says" Choose Civility In Howard County".
I didn't expect to buy many Expresses. I did hope to find out how widespread owner dissatisfaction was. IMO, that has been answered.
Most,maybe nearly all, Express owners are happy with them.
And IMO, any Expresses that do not work right off the shelf after cleaning and lube SHOULD BE MADE RIGHT BY THE MAKER......
I did not see "Rem-haters" in this interesting thread just frustrated owners of current production 870 Express shotguns with crude extractor machining, rust, and a lack of pride in production. While it may be a consequence of its popularity, the fact is that as far as current production pump shotguns go, the 870 Express has more "problems" than all others combined. It is pure conjecture as to percentages but there are "issues" and Remington should insist on the same level of quality of production that they apparently require of the Chinese 870 they import and sell for less $$$.
J, if someone uses an experience of problems with one or two Expresses to call the whole breed "Junk,etc", that qualifies as hate in my universe.
Were someone talking about people of any ethnic group instead of shotguns, we'd term that hater a bigot.
Do some owners have problems with new Expresses?
Certainly.
Are those problems unfixable and pandemic in the Express line?
No.
Should Remington do better in QC and such matters as chamber polish?
Heck,yes!!
Were someone talking about people of any ethnic group instead of shotguns, we'd term that hater a bigot.
Do some owners have problems with new Expresses?
Certainly.
Are those problems unfixable and pandemic in the Express line?
No.
Should Remington do better in QC and such matters as chamber polish?
Heck,yes!!
The only thing I wish my newer model Express Super Mag had was a better finish...it doesn't stand up to the humidity here in SC. My problems were addressed here after some questions were asked. I did have a rough chamber, but I'm the type of guy where the glass is half full so now I'm glad I had that problem because it made me tinker and figure out what to do to fix the problem on a firearm. Wasn't used to that.
I'm getting a Mossberg next though just so I can say that I have both(and the finish is better and will hold up better here).
I'm getting a Mossberg next though just so I can say that I have both(and the finish is better and will hold up better here).
oneounceload
Moderator
Then, there will be the Browning BPS, then the Ithaca (in 28 gauge for giggles), and it goes on forever from there..........
One guy's experience - I bought a new 870 express about a year ago on sale for just under $300. I have shot a couple hundred rounds of trap through it with zero malfunctions, even with cheap bulk ammo that jams my "old reliable" Stevens. When I walked up to the trap station the first time, it had been cleaned (nothing more) but never fired. The action was a little stiff - smoothing up now - but worked fine. Hopefully the next year circumstances will allow me to get to the trap range more frequently as well as some hunting.
FWIW - this is the only 870 I've ever owned, and I have only 1 other Remington firearm out of the 15 or so that I own - so I'm not a Remmie fanboy. Just providing 1 more data point.
And I don't share the view of some others who wrote in this thread that it's not possible to have pride of ownership in a shotgun that doesn't have premium looks - I'm proud to have gotten a great deal on a shotgun that ought to last me a lifetime.
FWIW - this is the only 870 I've ever owned, and I have only 1 other Remington firearm out of the 15 or so that I own - so I'm not a Remmie fanboy. Just providing 1 more data point.
And I don't share the view of some others who wrote in this thread that it's not possible to have pride of ownership in a shotgun that doesn't have premium looks - I'm proud to have gotten a great deal on a shotgun that ought to last me a lifetime.
For the money, I'll take a Browning BPS or Benelli Nova/SuperNova over an 870 any day of the week.
Have I had a ton of problems out of 870's? No, but they handle like pure garbage for me. 870's are good choices for a decent shotgun on a budget. However, I have become more "quality-oriented" recently and I'd rather have a Browning or Benelli.
I have always had a problem with buying guns that are good deals or guns that interest me somewhat. I never hang on to them for more than a couple months. So I created a list of guns and optics that I really, truly want. Every gun will have a purpose and will hold up to the test of time so I can pass them on to my son and him to his son. The rifle and shotgun lists are dominated by Browning, the handgun list is dominated by SigSauer.
There is not a single Remington or Mossberg on any of the three lists...
Have I had a ton of problems out of 870's? No, but they handle like pure garbage for me. 870's are good choices for a decent shotgun on a budget. However, I have become more "quality-oriented" recently and I'd rather have a Browning or Benelli.
I have always had a problem with buying guns that are good deals or guns that interest me somewhat. I never hang on to them for more than a couple months. So I created a list of guns and optics that I really, truly want. Every gun will have a purpose and will hold up to the test of time so I can pass them on to my son and him to his son. The rifle and shotgun lists are dominated by Browning, the handgun list is dominated by SigSauer.
There is not a single Remington or Mossberg on any of the three lists...