A Challenge to the 870 Express Bashers....

Genius, Dave. 160 posts agreeing, disagreeing, questioning your motives etc. Gotta love it!

I think complaining, in general ("whining"?) is in vogue. The more public, the better. Sometimes, the more embellished, the better. (Oops, did I say what I just said? )
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Dead on. You did say it, and you are right.

It's a sub $300.00 shotgun. The plastic tail light lens on your car probably costs that much. There is going to be a flaw now and again, so fix it and move on, or buy a BPS, or an Ithaca, or for that matter a Wingmaster. It will cost more, but then you can expect more. You can, can't you?
 
My many used 870s including Expresses have always functioned well, but some did require disassembly and cleaning of all component parts.

To eject, you must rap it back. The old paper hulls--because they weigh more than plastic ones--would jump out smartly. It's the weight that causes loaded shells to fly across the room.
 
I have a Mossberg 590A1. My brother has the Remington 870 express home defense model. Both are nice guns. Neither has given us any problems in terms of reliability. Neither are $25K+ trap guns, but they both serve their purpose quite well. They both have their pluses and minus. I don't see why we have to have a never ending thread on this.
 
According to: The Book of Eli !!!

According to: The Book Of Eli, an older 870 Express is better than the new ones. I say this for the following reasons.

1. The one he used in the movie, survived an atomic explosion. The new plastic trigger guard would not have survived.

2. It was one of the weapons he carried but placed most of his trust in a big knife. Looked like a Kershaw. Still, the older 870 was very serviceable.

3. Never had a stuck shell in the chamber and this never happens on the older models.

4. The finish on the wood and metal still looked pretty good so we know that had to be an older one.


Be Safe !!!
 
Jg, does that mean you posted just for the halibut?

Sorry....

Re fit, I'd rather shoot a Maverick that fit than a Perazzi that didn't. If other brands fit you better, fine with me if you use them. Much as I like the 870, there's other GOOD shotguns out there.

I've met few shotguns I did not like.

Roscoe, 5K views means this was a thread interesting to a lot of people. For whatever reason, maybe even the same ones that make the Jerry Springer show popular.

IMO, the general condemnation of the Express as a cheap, unreliable piece of trash is untrue. While some rare instances of probs that cannot be traced to bad ammo, rough chambers and lack of cleaning may exist, they are scarce enough to not constitute a good reason to pass on this shotgun.

There's a LOT of happy Express owners out there.......
 
Dave McC said:
Jg, does that mean you posted just for the halibut?
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Nah, but it never hurts to talk about a good day out on the water which resulted in a fantastic evening at the dinner table. :D

Dave McC said:
There's a LOT of happy Express owners out there.......
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Agreed. They work well for a lot of people, just because I'm not one of them doesn't mean I can't recognize that...
 
....Bashing Remington is in vogue...


Exactly.
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I seem to be inclined to feel the same.

This is the issue I take with the issue (:P)

Everyone on the internet with a keyboard and a nervous system will spout all of the negative feelings that have for anything, even if the product does not deserve such bad representation, however, compared to the amount of negative press one topic gets, it may get 1/10th that in positive press.

A company can't be expected to produce a perfect product 100% of the time, and as 870's are BY FAR the most preferred, and most common pump shotguns in the world, they are going to have the most problems, it's the law of averages at work. How many hundreds of thousands of 870's are floating around that have never been lubed and have never malfunctioned or been repaired compared to the maybe thousand that have, Remington has sold over 10,000,000, TEN MILLION 870's. So if you think their failure rate is high, crunch some numbers. Even if 100,000 of them have problems, that's only a 1% failure rate.

I'm not a Remington fanboy, but I wont give them undue criticism because some internet "Experts" had a bad day with them. I'm not saying their QC hasn't slipped some, a lot of manufacturers has, but I'm not saying that they are the junk everyone seems to act like.
 
Here's a question kinda in the same vein. Do you thing 50, 75 or maybe even 100 bucks of the price of a new express is for the Remington stamped on the side rather than actual quality? I only ask becasue I'm in a discussion elsewhere about the price of FA revolvers.
 
XD, I'm old enough to recall some generations of S&W revolvers that were held in scant regard due to QC probs. Remington, at least lately, has cleaned up their act.

Dunno, John. Any name brand carries some cachet.

Are you buying the name or the track record?
 
I know those S&W's, wouldn't touch them for any amount of coin. With Remington the difference in price isn't really large enough to make a difference (I still can't figure out why the 870 copies even found a market).
 
I still can't figure out why the 870 copies even found a market).
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Because the 870 is very popular, and folks here, it seems, like to brag about how cheap they are and how they saved a few bucks buying an import over an American-made product. That only forces Remington to try and compete with it - (in principle a good thing); however, they can't, so they cut every cost out of the equation they can to get close. When the guy in Chine makes in one month what the US guy makes in an hour or two (plus benefits, taxes, etc.), it's not hard to see HOW they can do it. And as long as folks put initial purchase price above everything else, there will always be a market for clones or copies. (The Chinese make pirated versions of everything that sells as it is - from Gucci to DVDs)
 
The ignorance never stops. Remington imports the Pardner 870 clone. The gun is not "pirated" - the patent ran out. Sorry that the Pardner 870 is better - fit and finish - than the Remington 870 Express.
(Edited to conform to post below regarding wages - the person is China is happy to get what they get - right or wrong too much $$$ like UAW workers destroys a business and too little $$$ is better than nothing if you live in China)
 
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Do you really think the guy/gal in China only makes one 870 clone a month?
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Reading is fundamental. The guy china makes in wages in one month what the US worker makes in an hour or two (shouldn't really matter, rice is cheap). I'm sure they put out a dozen 870's every day and still have time to paint children's toys with lead paint and poison pet food.
 
JMortimer

Good Idea, if we stamp out the Unions, and everyone works for Minimum Wage, Including yourself, maby we will all be as happy as the Gooks.
 
Breaking out the "G" word - nice. The UAW pensions/benefits were the primary reason U.S. auto manufacturers tanked. Public employee pensions and benefits are the primary reason the majority of states are effectively bankrupt. I've been a member of two unions, the Ironworkers Union Local 509 and a California State employees' union. I am not anti-union but for a union to survive they must compete in the market place or the company/state is doomed. We are way off topic but the poor humans who were unfortunately born in China have a right to compete in the market place as well. I'm sorry that Remington imports a better "870" than the domestic 870 express it produces here in the U.S. for less $$$.
 
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