6.5mm against elk.

see that it what is great about my "so called" silly over concervative estimates.
one does not need to argue back and forth about the complex physics of bullistics.my range calculations take doubt out of the picture and you always know for sure a gun proxy range.

im putting into the vermont moose lottery this year and i view my 6.5-55 as good for 250 yards on moose.some thing people say about the gun ranges on this forum may be true.but i would rather be safe then sorry
 
on the opposite side of that coin, one could cite the thousands of hunters that think that just because they have a heavy bullet travelling really fast that they don't have to worry as much about shot placement. I am ashamed to admit it but I've lost deer that were hit with a 300 weatherby magnum at 100 yards, for whatever reason I messed up and the animal got away, though considering the amount of blood probably got away. that was the last animal that I've wounded and lost because that was what forced me to start thinking long and hard before I pull the trigger in a less than "acceptable" situation. overly adequate cartridges are no substitute for marksmanship and good judgement.
 
Leave it to the guys from MS and VT to harp the loudest about hunting elk.
My that statement, you'd be hunting elk with a .223 because it will definately penetrate to the vitals. No, hydrostatic shock is an inportant part of the killing process.
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Hydrostatic shock is a byproduct and not a necessary to ensure a kill. If hydrostatic shock was that important then people wouldn't still be using archery equipment to hunt with. FYI any center fire cartridge is legal in the OP's state, so I'm sure some elk have been taken with a .223. I'd never recommend a .223 for elk, just like I'd not recommend a Grendel either. There are better choices than either of those cartridges but that doesn't mean they won't work if the right shots are taken, the problem with elk is that the right shots rarely present themselves.

see that it what is great about my "so called" silly over concervative estimates.
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Your conservative estimates border on ridiculousness plain and simple, and show a lack of experience with any of the cartridges you talk about. Putting in for the lottery is different than actually hunting the game we're talking about. Plus a 140 grain bullet @ 2600fps out of your Swede isn't going to kill a moose or elk any better than a 120 grain bullet @ 2600 fps out of the OP's Grendel inside of 300 yards.

muzzleloader and shotguns using sabot slugs can have close to 2000lb of presure at close ranges.
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Okay, so if I don't understand you. Then explain what you're talking about when you mention lbs of pressure? To me it sounds like you're talking about energy at point of impact, and as mentioned in earlier posts you won't achieve that kind of pressure you're talking about. Ft - lbs and PSI aren't even close to the same thing like you have stated, here is a simple calculator to help you.
 
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Simply put a good quality bullet designed for the task i.e. hunting bullet to match the cartridge and game etc., through the lungs and preferably out the other side, let lots of blood out and air in. Take pictures and post on TFL.
 
All this back and forth discussion on the right bullet and 'pressure' and hydrostatic shock, which don't matter for beans if the shot placement is poor. If the OP is a decent shot, then use a good bullet and place it carefully and it's done. I still say I'd use the Partition and only take shots at a reasonable distance (not over 300 is what I'd suggest).
 
well, did some testing with the Etip today, not a lot of penetration and alright expansion at close range but nothing that I would want to add any range onto, I guess I'll try something in the 130gr range.
 
What did you use for test media? Rifle Shooter magazine recently tested .30 caliber premium bullets and believe it or not most penetrate a little better at longer ranges than 100 yards. So I wouldn't be discouraged by the E-Tip just yet, but I do still think the Partition would be a better choice if using a premium bullet.
 
That's a great test, very interesting. I just wish they had a sample size of more than one. Still, the point is pretty well proven that modern bullets are remarkable. (I'll stick with the TTSX, myself.:))
 
I thought it was a good test too, and wished they had a larger sampling as well. I rarely need a premium bullet, but my first choice for them is usually Nosler. I tried a few of the old X bullets from Barnes and didn't like them, I know the TSX & TTSX are supposed to be better but I've had such great luck with Nosler I don't see a need to change.
 
believe it or not , I've found that firing at a water bottle in front of a tamarack round gives a pretty good idea of how the bullet will behave at 100 yards. I don't know what it is about those two but 6 inches into the wood translates to about 9 inches on game(roughly 50 percent increase), with nearly identical expansion. this bullet expanded to about the size of a penny but only made it about 3 inches into the wood meaning 4.5 inches roughly estimated tissue penetration. I may try some heavier stuff just to see if I can get better penetration from it. I have some 129gr partitions but only a few and nobody ever seems to have more in stock.
 
god i forgot the name but i just ordered from midsouth the new Sierra bonded hollow point 130gr gameking.
it should be right there on midsouths website.

it is 130gr bullet similar to the nosler accubond giving better penetration than a gameking or pro hunter
 
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god i forgot the name but i just ordered from midsouth the new Sierra bonded hollow point 130gr gameking.
it should be right there on midsouths website.

it is 130gr bullet similar to the nosler accubond giving better penetration than a gameking or pro hunter
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Kind of a tough thing to do since Sierra has never made a bonded bullet, and never will for the foreseeable future. Midsouth doesn't have one listed either for Sierra. The only bonded 130 grain bullet I saw at Midsouth was from Swift and it isn't a BTHP.
 
sierra BTHP 130 grain 6.5mm is in stock at midsouth shooting suplies and i just looked it up a minute ago.

i clicked on the in stock only selection on the search select.it is a tougher bullet than a traditional game king or pro hunter,i dont know if its as tough as the accubond or swift scirocco


if a person is looking to mock every post you make they can usually find some hyper technicality to do it with
 
What I'm saying is that Sierra doesn't make a bonded bullet. Midsouth has the 130 grain Gameking in stock, but it is a standard cup and core Gameking bullet not a bonded core bullet. I'm not mocking you, I'm just telling you when you post totally wrong information.

If Sierra were to start producing bonded core bullets they'd have probably released that info at the SHOT show in Las Vegas earlier this year. They aren't just going to magically appear on retailers shelves without some kind press release. Plus Sierra isn't going to add a new bullet line when they are producing all they can right now and struggling to keep up with demand.
 
I have had unpredictable results with game kings. I have had a lot of the 6-7mm bullets completely explode in deer and hogs. Fine with me because I do not mind a meat mess, but many people would not be comfortable with sometimes expanding-sometimes exploding bullets. I personally would not hunt anything dangerous with them in any caliber or weight. There are too many bullets I know will stay together to shoot something dangerous with unpredictable ones.
 
I wouldn't classify cow elk as dangerous game but I totally understand where you're coming from. I've had that happen with accubonds in a number of weights, calibers and velocities and have given up on using them on anything larger than deer.
 
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