.44 mag self defense

I see no reason you can't use a .44 magnum for CCW or HD.

Like the .357 magnum that uses .38s, you can get .44 Special ammo and shoot it out of a .44.

It will work fine.

Deaf
 
Put down the gun and step away from the testosterone.

If you insist on carrying something as heavy as a 44 magnum it had better be stoked with something under 45 Colt cowboy loads.
44 magnums rarely stop inside a deer on a broadside shot. What makes you think it's going to stop in a bad guy? Over penetration carries more evil than most bad guys.
When that bad guy pulls a stunt on you at the mall and you blast him with your 44 how are you going to feel when it punches through the side of the minivan 6 spaces away and kills a toddler in her car seat?

Some of the 200 grain loads are known to run around 1000 fps out of 2" barrels but the blast and punishment are horrible. Longer barrels increase velocities rapidly.

The first step to being a gun owner is being responsible. If you intend to pack a 4" 44 magnum loaded with standard pressure loads for social work you will have become part of the problem, not the cure.

If you insist on carrying something that heavy I strongly urge you to load JHPs under 1000 fps. If not, the child you accidentally kill may be your own.
 
To the OP: you need to define what you are defending against. I have hunted deer with a Ruger Super Blackhawk 7.5" in .44 mag. I always used 240 grain JSP Walmart Winchester. At up to 30 yards, the deer went down hard and the wounds had an unusual look to them, a lot different from rifle wounds and a lot less mess. So, the .44 mag is formidable for sure.

I consider the .44 mag to be a hunting round but there is no reason it can't be used for self defense. Hell, any gun can be used for SD but .44 mag is probably not the best choice unless you're going for intimidation/deterrent factor by wearing the big gun on your hip.

Criminals are sneaky and they tend to be young, athletic and strong. They tend to travel in groups of two or more and they're going to be running, moving and fighting. Your SD will depend upon laying down accurate and rapid fire possibly upon several suspects who are armed possibly with high capacity pistols, rifles or shotguns. In my area, carjackers and home invaders are routinely seen to carry AK-47 rifles. When they start shooting, you're already going to be at a big disadvantage.

If you're lucky enough to get off one accurate shot, you don't want to be in the throes of recoil, trying to get back on target while a half dozen AK rounds are on their way to you.

Serious SD involves accurate, rapid and sustained fire. Even if you could pull this off with a .44 mag, you could pull it off a whole lot better with .357 mag or .38 +P or .44 special.

For me, the other thing is that 4" revolvers tend to draw slower than 4" semiautos due to the geometries involved. My idea of a SD revolver would be 2" to 3" with 2.5" being close to ideal. The shorter barrel is faster to draw and a lot easier to conceal.

If I wanted a .44 mag for concealed carry and SD against humans, I like the Ruger Alaskan but it is too heavy at .45 oz unloaded. I think the S&W 329 Night Guard is the ideal configuration with 2.5" barrel and just over 29 oz. Sadly, this gun is discontinued but you can probably find them if you are willing to pay a premium. The Taurus Ultralite is just over 28 oz but it has a 4" barrel. I like the Taurus cylinder latch system and if the Ultralite was offered in a 2.5" barrel with fixed sights, I would rush out and order one even though I am not a Taurus fan.
 
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I have my M29 4" stuffed with 180 gr .44 Special Win Silvertips at home. This is less power than a standard .45ACP. And I use Hornady 300 gr .44 mag XTP in the woods.

While top end loads are too much for populated areas, the .44 mag cartridge can have tremendous range in bullet weight and velocity. So it potentially may be the most flexible SD cartridge. The key is to pick the best load for the circumstance.

Hornady makes two loads in their Critical Defense line in .44. A 165 gr Flextip .44 Special and I think a 180 gr or 200 gr flextip .44 mag.
 
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If one is careful about what the gun is loaded with and can handle the recoil, a .44 Magnum can make a fine self-defense cartridge. The problem comes when someone chooses a gun/ammunition combination with too much recoil and/or uses overly penetrative ammunition.

A .44 Magnum, while certainly powerful, isn't a howitzer and there is suitable ammunition that can be used. What you want is an aggressively expanding bullet that will reliably open in an erect biped. Loadings that have good reputations for those qualities include Federal 180gr SJHP, Winchester 210gr Silvertip, and Remington 240gr SJHP. Hornady's 180gr Critical Defense and Speer's 200gr Short Barrel Gold Dot also look promising though I don't have any experience with them myself.

What you need to avoid is JSP bullets, heavy-for-caliber bullets (anything much over 240-250gr), or "tough" JHP bullets specifically designed to penetrate deeply on large, heavy game. These types of bullets are designed expand moderately at the higher velocities achieved with long barrels and will give little, if any, expansion in an average person particularly when fired from the shorter barrels most likely to be found on a defensive revolver. Obviously, non-expanding bullets like FMJ or hardcast are to be avoided for much the same reason.

Also, don't fall into the trap of loading too powerful ammunition in too light a gun. While the nuclear-level bear loads from the likes of Buffalo Bore, Cor-Bon, Double Tap, and Grizzly make produce impressive numbers, the recoil of such is likely to impede your speed and accuracy to an unacceptable level in anything but the largest and heaviest revolvers. If you carry one of the lightweight guns, this is even more true and you should probably be looking at the lower-end .44 Magnums like the aforementioned Speer Gold Dot or perhaps even .44 Special ammo. Personally, the 240gr Remington SJHP at 1180fps is about the most recoil that I'm comfortable with in a defensive load from my 4" S&W 629. If I had a lighter revolver like a Mountain Gun or 329PD, I'd likely be looking for something with considerably less recoil still.

Furthermore, one needs to understand that, for most people, being able to shoot a .44 Magnum effectively isn't something that's going to be mastered overnight. There is substantially more recoil than most popular defensive cartridges and it takes a dedicated shooter willing to expend the time and money (ammo isn't cheap) to master it. Don't think that you're going to transition to it as smoothly as you would from a 9mm to a .45 ACP and don't try to shoot 100+ rounds in a sitting unless you want to develop a severe flinch. A full 50 round box, and maybe less for some people, is a full day's shooting and a couple cylinders full at each range session isn't a bad way to build up your skill if you don't mind taking a while to do it. Be sure that your gun has a comfortable set of grips that fills you hand and distributes recoil too.

All that being said, a .44 Magnum is a very formidable weapon in the hands of someone who's invested the time, money, and thought to build skill and load appropriate ammunition. Report and flash, while considerable, are no worse IMHO than a .357 Magnum, .357 Sig, or even a .40 S&W loaded with light bullets. Likewise, recoil, while substantial, is noticeably less than many of the small-frame, lightweight .357 Magnum revolvers like the Ruger LCR or S&W 340PD which seem to be so popular. Overpenetration, while a concern, isn't the boogeyman it has been made out to be and is best addressed by observing Rule #4 (be sure of your target and what is beyond it). This becomes particularly evident when one considers that any bullet which meets the FBI's penetration criteria of 12-16" (as most premium JHP's in popular defensive cartridges like 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP do) will very likely pass completely through the upper torso of the average person in a straight-on shot since most people are less than 12" thick at the torso, much less in a shot to an extremity which is even thinner. So, I suppose my point in all this is that, while a .44 Magnum certainly isn't the defensive gun for everyone, that doesn't mean that it's not a good choice for anyone either.
 
Some of the more recent posts are right on target. With the extreme power, heavy recoil, large size, weight, and relatively low capacity; there are only two reasons to choose the .44 Magnum for primary casual carry:

1. You are uncannily comfortable with the .44 Magnum. It's like an extension of your body and you can make demanding shots with the ease of a spring breeze. It is your gun and you would feel naked without it.

2. Your casual day includes a reasonable chance of encountering high-mass threats. That is, aggressive beasts which you firmly believe could shrug off center-mass hits with .327, .357, or .44 Special if you are hooked on the size. (You may also want to rule out the higher capacity and possibly easier carry of semi-automatic options up through 10mm.)

I always find number 2 a little tricky. If I really expect to run into a creature that's in this league, why is .44 Magnum enough? If I'm already in that kind of territory, why not carry a hot .45, .454, or more?

Speaking of big bangs, there are additional concerns that come into play for home defense. In most cases, we are talking about bedrooms, hallways, or a living room at best. These are enclosed spaces. They might be very dark. You might not have hearing protection. This is your home. Any magnum round in these circumstances can become counterproductive as it increases your chances of dangerous disorientation, permanent hearing loss, and collateral damage.
 
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Thus the big reasons why the .44magnum(not a .44magnum with .44spl rounds) is less than ideal for home defense or regular CC.

Many shooters & hunters may not know but in the late 1960s, early 1970s, S&W execs were seriously considering ending the .44magnum line completely due to poor US sales & a lack of interest.
Dirty Harry(1971) was so popular with American crowds that many people ran out & purchased the big .44magnum N frame 29 revolver.

Clyde
 
Dirty Harry(1971) was so popular with American crowds that many people ran out & purchased the big .44magnum N frame 29 revolver.

.....and, within a year or so, you could find very lightly used 29's, often with 3/4 of a box of ammo in the used gun section of alot of gun stores.
 
The caliber is adequate

The size & weight of the gun are your personal issues.

What matters most is what ammo you put in it. .44 Mag hunting ammo is NOT well suited to defense against human attackers.

Over penetration carries more evil than most bad guys.

I won't go quite that far, but overpenetration is a big concern for a lot of people. I live in the country, and have always believed that two holes is better than one, but your situation and feelings about it might be different.

On the other hand, lack of penetration can be a bad thing too. Reference the recent thread on the 1986 FBI Miami shootout and the belief that insufficient penetration of the 9mm load used resulted in the death and wounding of agents.

In short, a .44 magnum loaded with ammo suitable for self defense is a good choice. Loaded with magnum level ammo, its not a good choice for self defense.
 
Nothing wrong with a .44 Mag. It's too large for me to carry but if we ever get open carry I could carry a 4" Model 29 and be happy. Might load some at about 900 fps.
 
I pretty regularly CCW a 4 inch 629, and I am very confident with it. My carry load is Underwood Ammo 44 Special, 200 grain Gold Dots travelling at 1100 fps. I shoot it regularly, and am about to start shooting it at IDPA.

I suggest that, if you're willing to put in the time and research, there's nothing wrong at all with a solid 44 revolver.
 
Run a box of 44 Magnum through, note your second round timing, follow through, flinch, hesitation, anything that may slow down the process of putting 6 rounds on targets.

Then do the same with a box of 44 Special.
 
I see that the OP has not replied so the conversation is going around with those that did.

What I really want to know is where did Wyosmiths friend find a 1600 lb Moose?

Now that is world class and has to hold the record.
 
I checked around my area for .44 mag ammo availability. I couldn't find any and the stuff online seemed expensive. Some good points where brought up. Recoil could be an issue. I have decided to get a .40.
 
What is not to love?

I shoot this jewel in IDPA with cowboy loads and maggies and my split times are close enough to not worry.
 

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All the posts here are pretty much spot on. Personally, I've never found the .44 magnum to be daunting or uncontrollable, and if I had a 4 inch model 29 on my nightstand, I wouldn't feel the least bit helpless or disadvantaged. However, I would shy away from the .44 magnum as a defense round for a much more subtle reason and that reason is the "dirty harry syndrome" and the specter of excessive force.

Because of the movie and general ignorance and attitudes about guns, there is a potential for jury bias in any civil or criminal proceedings when the .44 magnum is used (if the incident should reach the courtroom). And yes, I know that the only issue should be if deadly force is justified, and deadly force is deadly force is deadly force whether it is a .22 long rifle, a 12 gauge shotgun, or a .458 winchester magnum. I don't want to start a discussion on the politics of the george zimmerman case, but I believe that the trial outcome could have been different if george had used a .44 magnum instead of a 9 mm.
 
At our action shooting league we used a Ruger Redhawk in.44 mag as the "mystery gun" often.

Shot at speed the .44 mag in a Redhawk was pretty controllable- albeit slow shot-to-shot. I would have felt better served with any K-frame in .357 magnum.
 
Nice pistol, Nanuk. That's my idea of a .44 mag carry gun.

Thanks!

With the right holster it is a dream to carry. It balances and points well. Recoil is really no worse than my 3" model 13 with stiff loads. I really do not understand all the negativity about using a 44 mag for defense as long as you very proficient with the gun. There is tremendous versatility in ammunition. I would much rather see people using big bore revolvers instead of mouse guns. The big guns just take a little more dedication to carry.

To all you guys with the negative comments; Have you really ever carried or shot a 44 magnum?

The gun weighs the same as an L frame revolver and 2 oz's more than a steel 1911.
 
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