Your pick of a combination in Combat like situation.

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What combination of weapons would you pick in a combat like situation?

Assumptions: short to intermidiate encounter range, number of hostiles more than 10, and urban setting with possible chase to sub urban area. Landscape is hilly.

Please discuss your reasoning/strategy.
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Am I pursuing them or are they chasing after me?

If I'm running from them, and we presume I start in a house, any combat rifle will work. If I have to run before they can surround the house, I want clothing that blends in with the crowd and isn't easy to identify from similar clothing. A pair of Beretta 92's with 2 spare mags each and a lightweight .357 Magnum snubbie as a BUG.
Rationale: Once outside, seek out other people and groups to "blend in" and maneuver your way into hiding or concealment. A man carrying a rifle can be easily seen as armed from 200m and targeted. A man in a group that does not look armed is harder to spot at a distance.

If I am on the pursuit side the rules are:
- Don't pursue if the odds are more than 2:1 against you.
- If the terrain will be hilly/mountainous, you want 3:1 odds or better on your side to cover while climbing.
- In urban/suburban zones, I'd prefer the 5.56mm to reduce civilian/bystander collateral damage.
- If I have a squad, one or two members equipped with an M14 .308 rifle for long range and to act as a squad MG when appropriate.

Observations:
If alone, never pursue when the odds are worse than 2:1 against you. That's a quick way to die. It's too easy for a group to leave one man behind to flank or attack from the rear.

In an urban or suburban area, be wary of when and where you engage the hostiles. For instance, do not engage the hostiles within a few hundred meters of a school unless you want a hostage/massacre situation to arise. Likewise, in some crowded urban areas, if they have knowledge of the buildings, they can disappear into building A and exit from building C on another street. Worse, they can split up and create havoc from multiple locations and now you have a debacle on your hands.
 
Here in Illinois.......

Here in Illinois.......... the Illinois State Police would suggest using a tongue depressor to make yourself throw up..... that way the bad guys won't want to get anywhere near you.
 
electrichellfire...which country's ass did Texas kick?

Most common pick so far has been M4 but it does jam. Since it jammed on me I have less faith in it.
 
You plan to train a militia or something? Maybe I can apply for an early retirement now and apply::rolleyes: Nah, your not in America are you? Anyway, neither I am. Your choice of weapon if I may say so if it is available are:>. claymores
>. galil and you need 7 mags
>. a pump shotgun (remington is a very nice choice) with lots of "00" and slug rounds.
Back on my field day I'll choose those weapons (it was our unit's issue) now im on a desk job at the Marine Gen HQ after a flash bang grenade thrown by a teen age boy young enough to be my nephew in Mindanao took my right eardrums off and some parts of my ear too, maybe im too old to be on the field and too mean to be retired but what the heck go for those weapons.

"ALL MARINES IRREGARDLESS OF CREED AND NATIONALITY ARE BROTHERS"
 
Most common pick so far has been M4 but it does jam. Since it jammed on me I have less faith in it.
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Then I'd suggest arming yourself with the same or similar rifle as the enemy that's chambered the same. If you're facing 10+ and by some miracle you have the ability to fight, you may end up near enemies you take down in the process and you may end up using more ammo than what you carry.

I know this is a bit far fetched of an idea, but if you do run out of ammo for your rifle, you're toast. Contrary to popular belief, but if the enemy is using an AK variant, it will be more than accurate enough at the range you're talking about.
 
What combination of weapons would you pick in a combat like situation?

Assumptions: short to intermidiate encounter range, I'd go for my M-4 clone fixed to shoot 7.62 X 39 ammo. It would have a scope or red dot mounted on it that had illuminated reticles. If a scope it would be a 3 to 9 variable with pop up sights for back up if needed. Otherwise I would go with an Aimpoint M-4 type red dot. EOTechs and ATNS are nice but they aren't hooded enough to keep from sometimes being washed out in bright light.

My pistol would be a Glock 17 9 mm possibly with night sights for close range in-the-dark work. Both the carbine and pistol would be backed up by a good sheath knife of some sort.

number of hostiles more than 10, I would like to have at least 7 magazines loaded with 30 rounds each for the rifle. I would like at least 4 of the 17 round capacity Glock magazines. The pistol should also have a silencer if possible. A silencer gives a guy just one more advantage that he can sometimes use.

and urban setting with possible chase to sub urban area. Landscape is hilly. An urban area with hilly landscape means that you can fire, fall back and set up your next engagement zone to your liking. You can do this several times to your advantage. You can use open areas to pick off the lead guys every time they surface to the point that anybody chasing you will get slow and over cautious so you can escape. You nail about 6 guys chasing you as you repeatedly fall back and more than likely your attackers/hunters will soon learn that discretion really is the better part of valor.

Please discuss your reasoning/strategy.
 
I am prettty uninformed about this subject, but since the OP did not say he wanted only informed opinions, I would want a 9 mm hand gun and a 12 guage shotgun. I would want the shotgun, because it would help my aim. I would want the 9mm handgun, because it has higher capacity magazines and I would want a handgun for laying low and hiding.

Again I am not real informed on the subject.
 
I'd want a lightweight AR/M-16 and 4 spare magazines at the most, maybe less.

A pistol I knew well... a wundernine. I've got an XD9 I shoot well, so that works. Just the one magazine for it. A damned good holster for it that keeps it near my center of gravity, and mag holders for the rifle that keep those things tight.

Some good night vision gear.

And... I'm running. Fast and hard. Cuz there's no way I would go after 10 guys on my own, which means that this is 10 guys after me. I don't have any tactics training that would allow me to eliminate 10 pursuers, so the only thing I can do is play Hezekiah Wyman and get ahead 500+ yards, pick one target and eliminate it, then mount up and get some more lead.

Chances are they wouldn't play that way for long, if at all though.

I'm glad I don't live in a place where such tactics are realistically likely.
 
Most common pick so far has been M4 but it does jam. Since it jammed on me I have less faith in it.
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I think you are giving up on a very capable combat weapon too quickly. A non defective and decently maintained and appropriately lubricated M4 with well working magazines should allow you to shoot multiple full combat loads before you'd even approach having a problem. Yes you will have to maintain it more that some others, but the ergonomics, quickness of operation, weight, accuracy and shot to shot recovery will be hard to match. If you would like to go from like a 1,000 MRBF to 15,000-20,000 MRBF, than, if you believe HK's press, you can go with a HK 416 or HKG36 :)
 
cellphone with full battery (911!!!)
a fast car to run to and get away

and in case that won't do:

Steyr AUG with Federal LE223T3 Ammo
Glock 19 as Backup
Ballistic vest
Fällkniven Garm Fighter
 
I carried the XM203 back in the day. It was a m16 with a granade launcher, now its an M4 w/granade launcher. Very effective combination for close combat. I'd use the M4 and backup would be a .40 or .45 cal handgun and a 12 gauge tactical shotgun
 
Hide and pray/prey

The two smartest things I've read here are one, run like heck, and two, a rifle that sounds and operates like the BG's. You want to draw as little attention as possible.

Get a good hand gun, keep it concealed (if possible), and act like prey. If you need the rifle, (you have already screwed the pooch) use the hand gun to get it. Use the rifle to get away.

Have we all forgotten situational awareness? Don't get caught in a bad situation where you need a gun. Avoid this if at all possible. Watch for differences. When things change, that's when something is going to happen. The animals know this. Observe their postures, and their reactions, especially the two-legged animals. Situational awareness is the best weapon you can carry in any neighborhood... And I like a Glock 9mm.

Good luck, and God bless.
 
Quote: Have a weapon that sounds like the BG's
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Thats an old wives tale, a weapon like the BG's. First of all if he is a half trained trooper he knows his AO (area of operation) better than you, where the friendlies are at all times and the suspected location of his enemy. What good does it do to have a like weapon. The best thing to do would be to vacate the area without contact if possible, if not possible, set up an ambush and take him by surprise. If all fails , run like hell and call for god and country for support and say a prayer in your spare time.
 
Old Wives Tale

What branch of service were you guys in? Sounds like some of you were in the boy scouts and some were never in even the scouts.
 
Yep...I was a Boy Scout... :)

To play your game I'd like an HK MP5SD, a supressed M4 carbine with a 1X-4X day/night scope set & supressed M9A1 pistol with IR & visible lights & lasers on everything. Plus two sets of night vision goggles (single & bi), and as much ammo as I could carry or stash. I'll need standard field gear & vest, knife, food, dexadrine, a few AP mine sets and a safe water source. If I want a BG weapon I'll get it myself. One...maybe two nights should do it... :D

Milspec
 
dexadrine?

I already gots all that stuff,lol.

What's dexadrine? I gots ta gets me sum o dat stuffs.

Seriously, what is dexadrine?
 
Dexidrine is Dextroamphetamine. Until recently was prescribed by military doctors to pilots & others who need to stay alert for long periods. Handy for 100 hour wars... :)

Milspec
 
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