When I carry A pocket gun it's my NAA Garden in 380ACP or better yet one of my Makarov's PM in 9x18 Makarov. I load it with Russian 109gr FMJ. This round is milsurp. It has some nice pop it it hot round. This round will penetrate well & get the job done. In 380acp in the NAA Garden would use +P Hard cast. Again I want to get it to penetrate as far possible. Don't need it bigger if it does not go deeper.