you hear about the police searching vehicles

Racism in whatever polliticaly correct terminology you want to call it.....

STILL EXISTS. Whenever race is used as a contributing factor in an arrest/stop, not being guilty of a crime, that is Racial Profiling/Racism :barf: I must say that I respect our Boys in Blue and have met more that made me proud to call them Sir and Maam than the bad ones but when they do go bad.......Their granted powers make them worse....Nothing is worse than a bad cop(except maybe a corrupt politician) Power corrupts and you know the rest.....
 
OK, Im out of this one......It has come to the point that I feel as though Danindetroit is speaking in toungues, and I cant understand any of it.
 
OK, Im out of this one......It has come to the point that I feel as though Danindetroit is speaking in toungues, and I cant understand any of it.
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I get the distinct feeling he is very fervent about the drug issue, so much so he [just] cannot put it into [few] words, which is acceptable, were all guilty at time of rambling or wandering, wandering, wandering, wandering, wandering… uh, in a conversation.


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JK Danindetroit :D
 
Danindetroit

I tried to follow you as best I could ;but man some of those turns are sharp :) .....I think Jsandi has it right your passion is the only thing that comes through clearly :)

Lilysdad don't leave yet, your one dimensional analysis(meaning a black and white interpretation of this issue) is good for bouncing ideas of as you and Jsandi are on the "front line" so to speak.

speaking in tongues no.....incoherently rambling.....definitely :D
PS Danindetroit If I were ever stopped on the side of the road I would love your assistance.....about my comment though I couldn't pass up a freebie 'cause that road has more twists than a pretzel......
 
Concerning the dog situation...it is an enhanced search. Until a person can claim that he or she had the same turbinites as a canine, any attempt to state that it is simply an observation seems a bit flawed.
Also, once again, the whole concept of running about someone's vehicle (which for many is considered a private space, equivalent to a home..whether or not the courts concur),with a trained mutt can be disturbing. Too many will recall the wonders which occurred in Europe or with the likes of Bull Conner.
Profiling, little more than a new set of biases, often using old stereotypes under a new code.
Concerning the 'special sense', yeah right... The only possible rationale for this is based on experience, and it bloody well be premised on more than supposition. And if people are being Terry searched, or detained on 'hunches'...might as well just do completely random searches. Would be about just as credible, and equally irritating. And might keep in mind that both Bundy and Wilder, had been field interviewed by LEO's...and the 'special sense' did not come on, they were caught much later, after more corpses had been collected. And despite the 'special senses' Otis Toole really took the Texas DPS for a fantasy ride, and he got ice cream for it too...
As far as the fishing, in many cases it's more a blatant attempt at revenue, or empty exercise of authority. In the majority of cases, all it is...is an authoritarian imposition, which gives people yet another reason to cease believing in our system. The proportion of vehicles stopped, to any real criminal interdiction is very imbalanced.
Most people, excepting cop groupies, do not enjoy being stopped on little more than whim. So don't expect a whole lot of support in that arena.
Psychosword, extreme in some of his statements. However, up here in the Northern hinterlands, the stops, profiling and etc, have gotten out of hand. With few public safety needs actually being addressed. And it's been one of the baleful influences of 'homeland security'-the money bought the toys, but didn't pay for the game. So here, too many 'redneck checkpoints' have been emplaced as a result. And so people here in Montana and ND ,are now being exposed to the harrassment heretofore reserved for the barrios...and they don't know how to react, or to tolerate it. One of the reasons I rarely leave the reservation is because of all this, it's getting worse than dealing with the rurales in Mexico. At least there, the revenue/corruption is overtly open, and the food is better.
 
Observations from a cop…

Okay more than a few threads have evolved on this board and others about actions LEO’s take to stop and search cars/persons etc…

They usually erupted into uncivil incisive exchanges between a hand full of members and nothing more.

Racial profiling always comes up; as do many other PC topics the masses like to toss around.

First, I’m a 33-year-old cop; I have been in LE for about 5 total years during two different times. I have managed to go my entire life w/o so much as a traffic ticket; the only time I’ve ever been stopped I was stopped in an unmarked car responding to a disturbance at the jail, a GA State Trooper, who knew about the call, stopped me.

It seems that a good number of people cannot even walk across the street w/o attracting the attention of LE and going to jail.

Do you honestly think it’s [us] cops making up all of this or perchance it’s actually the person involved doing something completely boneheaded which attracts our attention or pushes someone else to call the cops?

I wonder just how so many folks manage to have so many run-ins with the law over and over in given period of their life, sometimes it almost flabbergasts me.

Maybe you should take a look at what it is that invites the attention of LE to you all those times, do you see a pattern, I’ll bet an unbiased look by an outsider, who did not know you nor was a cop would find it.

When I go to Macon on occasion I sometimes go into my old neighborhood where I and my friends grew up, it’s now a skeleton of what it use to be, but somehow I can drive into this neighborhood, well armed I might add, go to the Krispy Kreme in the middle of little South Central at night and then drive home w/o getting stopped, searched or interrogated roadside in handcuffs.

Many of my friends can do the same, my family and my friend’s family as well, why is it that evidentially a large portion of society cannot?

Yell profiling?

Perhaps but many of the cops in Macon are black who stop blacks more than they stop whites…

Sorry for rambling a bit off topic but profiling was briefly mentioned earlier in this post, but the fact still remains that I am amazed how so many people can constantly and continually attract the attention of LE yet blame LE for their assumed inconvenience.



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Jsandi

Your post was not lost on me hopefully mine will not be lost on you...Please try to follow me(I can lose myself sometimes)...If a woman is wearing a dress and is raped then it is not her fault she was victimized.....Not the same but close. If I am being made a victim by officers that don't give any real reasoning as to why I was stopped and detained I was violated however short the detention. In your last post I believe I can hear a little of the "brootherhood " coming out in you...Not an insult just an observation. I read it to mean that you don't believe any of your fellow officers would pull over a car without just cause. I have much respect for your opinion on this board and if this is what you were trying to say then I believe YOU to be that caliber of proffesional but you can't speek for all.....I should not be profiled on any of these issues.....

! what I am wearing(if not truly suspect...coat in summer)
2 who I am with(if not a known criminal) my white best friend
3 how my hair is(short or afro) been detained and released with both
4 what I am driving o riding in(if not a stolen car)2000 ford mustang
5 Where I am driving(the west side/expensive side of town) white neighborhood
6 Any combination of the above......
my computers actin up I will finish when I can.....
 
Jsandi

If you(being not guilty or connected with any crime) were pulled over repeatedly and not arrested simply detained and then not given a reason why, wouldn't it raise your eyebrows as to why? My hair is not an indicator of crime...My car is not an indicator of crime....Me being(of color) and being with a white person should not be an indicator of crime.....My driving in a mostly white neighborhood is not an indicator of crime....Ask many cops and I am sure most of these are things that they look for or I would not have been stopped, cuffed, and released so many times......Either I have Johnny Cochran on private retainer or I am not a criminal...I would protect my brothers in my proffesion also but sometimes the facts speek for themselves....I lose respect for officers that believe the way a person dresses/looks will tell them EVERYTHING they need to know about someone...Cop sense is good thing to follow as long as it does not lead you on a fishing trip......I think many officers in the south still enjoy a good fishing trip instead of real police work :( (nothing else explains my situation)
 
One of the problems with using canines as "probable cause" that are dual purpose bomb dogs is that they are quite likely to alert on a vehicle belonging to anyone with firearms and or ammo, and the idea that everytime this happens it is going to be a justification for a search is ridiculous.

Secondly, depending on how good the sniffer is, and circumstances, it is quite possible to find traces of various controlled substances all over the place. This is a likely cause of what sometimes turn out to be false alerts where no visible signs of a controlled substance are found after a thorough search.
 
Jsandi the only pattern that I see is......

me being pulled over for a DWB( driving while black ) which is a major offense that carries nothing but a free humiliation job, temporary set of bacelets, and release without apology and a not so good feeling in my stomache :(
 
Patterns? Maybe so, but by that contention, the expectation is that to avoid unwanted intrusion...cetain people must not dress in certain ways, go to some places, drive particular cars, associate with certain friends, or possess a thousand other subtle attitudes and beliefs. As a matter of mild curiosity, at what point does the control reach such a level that any form of the smallest, most basic, freedoms have been compromised by authority?
Good that some have never been pulled over or searched. But there are places where St. Francis or George Washington couldn't be subject to these things.
As for the 'brotherhood' its one of the reasons I quit working for the LE/courts system. At times the subliminal, and overt contempt for 'civilians' was such, that I truly wondered why that system should even exist. Public safety often had no place within it.
 
I will be the first one to admit that racial profiling happens. I, for one, do not partake, but I also do not walk on eggshells to not stop minorities. If the suspect of a crime is a 6'2" black male wearing a blue ball cap, guess what? Every tall black man wearing a blue ball cap is going to get talked to. Thats not profiling, thats police work.

A certain amountof police work is profiling, no matter how Un-PC it is. I spend a lot more time with vehicles in poor condition with a guy wearing a confederate flag hat, than I do with new Lexus's pulling out of the golf course. Thats a fact of life. Like it or not, profiling, to an extent, has gone on forever, and will alwyas go on.
 
I have no problem following the signs.....Some guy walks into a bank all figety and looking around(black,white,green for all I care) would you stop him then or keep an eye on him? What is my point? Suspicious is suspicious....How I am dressed should not cause me greater scrutiny than someone else simply because of race(how I behave maybe).....In the above mentioned scenario if I was an officer the guy in the bank gets extra watch and I migth move to a spot to cover him....awaiting a crime to take place..He might be armed and intending to rob the bank or not....Maybe he has a large check and is just nervous...No telling.

If you say you would pull him over immediately to the side and search him you are wrong... and guilty of fishing in my book. Not racism(as I did not give a race) but simply poor judgement as no crime has been commited and there is only a small suspicion (based on nothing more than a hunch at this time)of a crime about to take place.....I have been a victim of the latter too much to simply right it off as coincidence or me being nervous and figety around officers causing their sipider sense to tingle..... :rolleyes:

Profiling should equal.... monitoring behavior and seeing if it is in "tune " with the behavior to be expected in that area...Bank, park, car, store, movies etc,etc
Racial profiling ,by default, would be looking at an ethnic group and seeing if they act how that race is supposed to behave? How do you act Black again????? :eek:

Racial pofiling by default = racism
 
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Hey, Guys, . . . I think some are maybe a bit uptight about how this may affect us in the future.

Don't worry, . . . it's in the bag. ;)

Just wait till some political windbag gets pulled over, cuffed & stuffed 'cause his/her kid did a joint in their wagon, . . . after that, . . . the cops will have to get special permission from the supreme court to take the dogs out for their afternoon walk, . . . much less sniffing more windbag's cars.

After all, . . . look what Teddy Kennedy has done for the rights of the drunk drivers? :eek:

Truthfully though, . . . while I wrote the above with some sarcasim and jest, . . . I fully expect it to come to pass. :barf:

May God bless,
Dwight
 
Too many choices, I fully understand where you are coming from.

Have you done any research into this occurrence? When studying Criminal Justice, I found that many people fall victim to the "criminalblackman" stigmatization. In short, if there's a black guy around (or a Hispanic, Native American, Asian--and yes, in some cases white)--look out, they're trouble!

How many times have we all hung labels based on someone's color? How many of us still do?
 
And yet, some have no problem lumping in, labeling, and treating "The Police" all the same.....which is the same thing (bias/prejudice/etc)
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And unfortunately, one of the reasons that Bundy and Wilder were able to do what they did for so long... was that they could apply a veneer of respectibility. Which effectively made their presence, invisible to some who were following the profiling nonsense too closely.
Same thing happened with the DC sniper incidents, how many people died because of the obsession with looking for a assumption.
The affluent getting us out of where this trend could lead...maybe but in general those living in gated communities are not usually subject to the searches and etc, applied to others.
Would hope it does happen though, because the potential for the kind of things alluded to is this thread, is grave. That's how the Brits (from whom many of our concepts of liberty arose) have woken up and found themselves as constant video stars. Amongst other things...
And the concept of the police being treated the same, unfortunate. But wearing that uniform, and being the agent of state power, does tend to imply a certain conceptual uniformity...deserved or not, it will be inherent.
 
Faraway, you are indeed correct.

But I must point out one thing--and that is that criticism and oversight, while both inevitable and in some instances desireable, must be monitored and watched by those who make the criticisms--lest they find themselves in an untenable position--judging many by the actions of a few.

Sound familiar?
 
Well, once the uniform goes on, the many are indistinguishable from the few.
That's always been one of the functions of uniforms. And from my view, one of the mistakes the departments have made when they emphasized the military look to LEO gear. Inherently, it does tend to place people en-masse.
Criticisms, true the watchers need watching. However, not sure how relevent a forum of this nature is for that function. The partially anonymous nature of this type of board is both a blessing and a bane. Blessing insofar as it is the new printing press (until the guv'ment takes it away, or regulates to the point of irrelevence). Bane because the distance and anonymity encourage sometimes excessive opinions. In this debate, for example, it's unlikely either side would have gone to the extremes that occurred, in a face to face debate, or casual conversation.
Or mayhaps it could, at the core of these dicussion, is differing perceptions of liberty.
And at least on forums like this one, some still care enough to argue about such ideals...in preference to more trivial and pointless obsessions. That said, more people would be likely be willing to express definite opinions about J'Lo or
Jennifer Aniston.
 
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