yet another example of cops being above the law.

9mmsnoopy

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this week in houston an off duty harris county constables officer was pulled over after he was caught driving his corvette at over 100 mph while weaving in and out of traffic on a busy houston highway. he was stopped by HPD. did he get a ticket? OF COURSE NOT! a local news crew had film of the guy, he was flailing his arms and appeared to be irate that he had even been stopped.

this is an outrage. ANYBODY else would have at minimum been slapped with a HUGE fine, if not arrested on the spot and had the car impounded.

of course they are saying that "hes in trouble with his employer" sure he is, i bet they will slap him on the wrist and have a good laugh about it.


he should be FIRED! that idiot was endangering the lives of everyone on that road.
 
why couldnt the title just say a cop intead of cops. There are bad apples in the system, the vast majority of them are hard working guys n gals just like the rest of us who do a good job. I beleive that the bad apples need to have a little light shined on them while the good apples need some spotlight too.

so how about a good Harris county cop story....

The chase ended on Milwee Street and Costa Rica when the suspect lost control of the car, causing it to crash through a fence, slam head-on into a tree and burst into flames.

"The car was engulfed in flames. The only way to get the driver out was dragging him out through the back seat," Bakers said.

Hair on the officer's arms was singed during the rescue. He was taken to a hospital in good condition.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/kprc/20060317/lo_kprc/3337149
 
Eghad, because every other tinfoil wearing person here flat out hates law enforcement. I'd be interested to see the just how bad the driving and criminal histories of all these anti-LEO people are here :) Wouldn't surprise me if there was a felony in there. :rolleyes:
 
Optical Serenity, you seemed to have missed the main point of the post.
It’s not necessarily about bad cops but how cops in general act like they are above the law that they are supposed to enforce. Are you to tell me that cops are a special class of citizen? You mean to say the laws that we are bound to follow do not apply to them?
 
Eghad, you are right. I have had the misfortune to have the need to deal with about 30 cops over the last month or two, but the good fortune to find out that they're mostly decent people. As a matter of fact, I'd estimate I have met, briefly, maybe 50 cops in my lifetime. Only one appeared to be a prick, but I was a teenager and he and his partner, looking back, were playing a good cop/bad cop game with me to do me some good.

I happen to live in a neighborhood where a large fraction of the homes are owned by cops or other justice-related people. One neighbor is a juvenile corrections officer. He gets certain "courtesies" that I'm aware of. But apparently precious few.

Another neighbor was giving him trouble a few months back. The sheriff's deputies seemed to treat him the exact same way as I was being treated. I didn't see any preferential treatment, and I saw the police out at his house several times.

It should be obvious to anybody here by now that I'm a pretty anti-police-state kind of guy. But somebody has to manage the criminal element. Like any other field, you treat your professional peers with more respect, usually, than the general public.

I'm going to take the word of the guy at the desk next to me with whom I've worked for years about ion migration in semiconductor passivation over the word of the next guy who walks into the building's front door looking for an address. Every profession has that. Cops are, I'm sure, no exception.

Unfortunately, I think two things come into play here that aren't present in other fields. One, cops can affect your freedom. Semiconductor engineers really can't. Two, cops interact with a great variety of people. Some treat them in a businesslike manner, even if they're about to be ticketed. Others give them lip and lame excuses or worse, just for doing their jobs. I'd bet the former group gets the actual ticket less often than the latter.

So a little bit of this "professional courtesy" stuff is nothing more than behaving in a professional manner, i.e., with ordinary business courtesy. People in the general public who do this probably are treated favorably. Other cops probably know to behave this way, and are also treated favorably.

Sometimes, as we saw in another thread, even a cop who self-righteously insists on "professional courtesy" while acting like a child doesn't get any. That's probably because cops, on average, realize that favoring a jerk paints themselves with that same brush in the public's eye.

My point is that it's not as bad as it looks, but it's not as good as it could be, and that some here DO realize it's "cop" and not "cops".

As a concrete example:

Recently I had a big legal problem with somebody. During my dealings to corral his behavior, I noticed his car tag belonged on another car. I could not get the police to go to his place and ticket him for this. Now, I am SURE if a cop were having this same problem and this same information came to his attention, he would work out a way to camp out by this guy's driveway until he backed out and then ticket him.

You could look at that situation and conclude that cops get and give themselves preferential treatment and be unhappy about it.

However.

In a past life, I designed digital video systems. In order to help myself with this same legal problem, I needed some fancy video surveillance. I got it at a very minimal price. That's because I had the means to do it myself. If a co-worker asked me for help doing the same thing, I'd help, knowing he could handle the heavy lifting and just use my ideas. If a cop or anybody else asked, I'd say no. Why? because I would end up doing the whole job and I don't have time for it.

It's the same thing. Are there abuses? Of course, like anything else. But in any profession you are in you can get a thing done that's the subject of that profession easier than you can get a thing done that's not.
 
If I was a Cop I would probally speed. If I had a new Vette I would probally top it out at least once wheather I was a cop or not...
This is of'course not the right answer but everytime I get into a Fast car I want to, well go fast. He's only human and I don't fault him for it.
I have friends that go a hell of alot faster than that and just about everyone I know has driven like a idiot at one point in there life, weather they want to admit or not....
At least a Police officer has some training in driving fast speeds.
 
Eghad, great post. something I've been trying to drum into the thick noggins around here, judge each individual officer on his or her merits and whatever incident that has taken place.

100 mph in a 55 mph zone - 65 - 75??? Whatever - driver needs a cite - period.

Same thing happened in Des Moines, Ia as of late, Officer driving at very high speed on Interstate 235 - stopped - smell of alcohol on breath - turned over to his agency - instead of taking a trip downtown to the intoxilizer. There were and still are some very pissed off folks - and rightly so. This type of action only widens the gap between public & police, it makes the job harder for officers out their and are professional while doing so.

12-34hom.
 
9mm-
On the other side of that coin, ask someone like 12-34hom how many times a non-cop has threatened his job because "I play golf with the Mayor". Those never get reported or filmed. Twits exist amongst us...in all walks of life.
Rich
 
It’s not necessarily about bad cops but how cops in general act like they are above the law that they are supposed to enforce.
The problem is the mistaken assumption that "cops in general act like they are above the law". Cops in general adhere to the laws they enforce as much as any other citizen if not more. With all the subtle law changes on the books, unenforced laws against fornication and securing elephants to parking meters, I highly doubt that there's a single person on this forum who has not broken a single law in the past year.
 
It also appears that some of us wish to hold police to a higher standard than ourselves. How many of us bother with speed limits? We normally just "run with the pack", unless we're in a hurry. Now, with a 70 mph speed-limit here, "the pavk" does between 80-85. Being in a hurry pushes 90-95, and pretty much ignores the inevitable 60 mph limit zones.

I was a driver-instructor/examiner for both the USPS and the PGFD for a few decades. You'd be horrified to see how many people, even during testing to determine their job eligibility, don't stop at stop signs, or right on red, or obey the speed limit.

This carries over into other parts of our life, as well. How many of us have "forgottenly" taken home business property? We had three people fired for taking home the "free appetizer" adds from sale papers addressed to vacant homes. They lost their retirement benefits, a $47,000 job, before overtime, and the ability to work in the government, or for a government contractor. One had been in the sytem 25 years!!

I agree that we routinely grant our friends and acquaintances " courtesies", but somehow that appears to be wrong when it's the police. I do not believe the egregarious example should get a pass, but some of the "buddy discounts" that I have received were pretty deep.
 
No, I didn't miss the point of the original post...I guess what I was trying to say is I rarely run into this. Being on a DUI task force, I run into a LOT of people. I stop thousands of cars all the time...and now and then, I'll stop a police officer. 9 times out of 10 they won't say a word about being an officer. Sometimes I recognize them, sometimes I don't, and my partner does, or whatever. Most of the time once I say "Ok sir I'm just gonna give you a warning for _____" they say "thanks man, I'm a cop over at whatever, lets do lunch sometime..."

Yes, there are bad apples in all walks of life...I don't think its half as bad as some of the super tinfoil hat wearing people here want to believe it is. One of the reasons I joined law enforcement was because of the great people I met in it.
 
Aw, who cares if a cop gets a traffic ticket break. Comes with the territory. Now if he had hurt someone or be given a break for a violation of someones rights, that might be a different story.

And Optical Serenity, I guess you'd call me a tinfoil hatter. No felonies but yeah, lead foot sometimes. I don't hate cops either. I hate that some of them get away with murder or over the top violations. I understand that they're the bad apples though instead of how I used to think. I now know that it's really the administration and some cops are too scared to think for themselves. Some on this board. But the smarter cops are here too, and while choosy with their words sometimes, its apparent that they're the good guys and their words do help bridge the gap between us & them. The interaction is generally superb and my hats off to the good cops. I'll remain silent on what I think about bad cops, but thats educational too. Nope, its not all cut & dry as you think.
 
Depends on the locality. Retired members of the NYPD who remain in NYC
keep their carrying privileges, while retired members of the Chicago PD who
remain in Chicago do not.
 
Optical Serenity, you seemed to have missed the main point of the post.
It’s not necessarily about bad cops but how cops in general act like they are above the law that they are supposed to enforce. Are you to tell me that cops are a special class of citizen? You mean to say the laws that we are bound to follow do not apply to them?

The fact is that less that 5% of cops are "bad cops" as you put it. That hardly qualifies as "in general". Just as less than 5% of CCW holders commit crimes with their guns. You'd be pissed off if some anti-gun moron made a statement similar to the one you made above. "People who carry guns generally want to shoot people" or something asinine like that.

Now, Eghad simply said that he wished that the thread was addressed to the specific case and not applied to all officers everywhere because this is not the case. He did not imply or state that officers should not obey the laws or that this individual "constable" (which is not a certified LEO per se here in TN) should have been given a break.

Someone topping 100, I'm probably writing that ticket no matter what, especially if it's some holster sniffer who acts irate that I stopped him in the first place. And if/when I got a call from this guy's superior, I'd be sure to tell him what a complete jerk this guy was during the stop. Anyone who screams and hollars like that loses any leniency I was planning on showing. There are some cops that probably have a rule that no cop gets a ticket. I'm not one of them and frown upon others who are.
 
its not a good cop-bad cop deal. one could be a good cop and still think he is entitiled to certain benifits that others dont get(such as being able to drive as fast as they want).

heres another example, which i personally witnessed.

in a local strip shopping mall there is a hamburger joint, behind it is the drive thru lane and then IMMEDIATELY besides that is a subway sandwich shop, one day during the lunch hour i was in the dollar store next to the subway, when i came out i saw two local cops in two cars park right in the hamburger places drive thru lane, totally blocking it off from customers, i sat there and watched them, im being nice here, lets just say they both were ample human beings, as they walked into the subway. they werent on a call, they were laughing as they entered the place and they got in line and ordered food. the parking spaces right in front of subway were taken but theres a huge lot there and plenty of close spaces were available to them. it was very lightly raining, so maybe they thought they would melt or something. i mean come on, thats just sorry. no regard for other folks who are on their lunch hour.

i went and told the hamburger place that the drive thru was being blocked and then i called the police station and reported it, the guy i talked to sounded like he was going to take it seriously, but who knows.


and as for me being anti cop, no. i have no reason to be, i am and have always been a law abiding citizen, never nothing more than a speeding ticket or two, back when i was young and dumb. dont hate them, nor do i put them on a pedestal, its just a job.

almost all cops that ive come in contact with over the years were courteous and proffesional.

my point is that they should get the EXACT same treatment as everyone else, had i been doing 100 and weaving in and out i probably would have been arrested. had i parked in and blocked that drive thru i would have been towed.
 
Probably not. The owner has the final say about what is and isn't allowed on his property. He's the man who calls the tow truck, not the precinct. What they did was thoughtless, but hardly criminal. Sort of like the people that we see every day pulling into handicapped parking spaces, then hopping out to run in the store. Do you call the police to demand action against them? I doubt it. Yet, the LEOs you saw just seemed somehow "worthy" of such action. Double standards???:)
 
because every other tinfoil wearing person here flat out hates law enforcement. I'd be interested to see the just how bad the driving and criminal histories of all these anti-LEO people are here Wouldn't surprise me if there was a felony in there.

No, we dislike cops that think they are above the law. We dislike cops who ignore cops that are bad apples. As a peace officer, citizen with a badge, you are to uphold the law, by example. Demanding and giving professional courtesy is not right, its illegal in my book.
 
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