Would you like a Browning 1911 .32 ACP?

and the .380 is more dangerous if you accidentally shoot yourself or someone else
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I needed a good laugh. :D The scary thing is I think he's serious.:eek:

Its the first time though that I've heard someone consider the possibility of shooting themselves ( or others) as a determining factor in caliber selection.
 
I think I will just stick with my Beretta 81 or NAA 32acp..........I wouldn't want hurt someone if I shot them??????:confused:
 
1903 Colt

Glad I am not the only one to remember the 1903 Colt pocket hammerless.

The .32 was lethal enough to start WW1.

I can just "feel the bones" of the 1911 in my 03 Colt. Love that little pistol. I don't carry it as I have better for CC. It's more in the sit and admire category, with an occasional trip to the range.
 
" if they made it with a metal frame I would buy one in .32...'
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Why would you want one in metal instead of aluminum?

(I'll address other comments later. By the way, thanks to the posters who commented. A lot of interesting info.) :)
 
Colt 1903 in either .32 or .380 is pretty much a downsized 1911. The master JMB was simply practicing prior to upsizing/morphing the 1911. Generals and mobsters found utility in the .32 and/or .380. Good enough for me.

.02. David. :)
 
Without reading the entire thread, is this really true...are our brothers to the north that far out of it? Rod
Additionally, AFAIK Canada generally bans the use of firearms in self-defense under almost all circumstances.
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In answer to the OP's original question, I'd not want any .32 ACP auto for my use because of the high cost of ammunition. As an avid reloader, I find even the .380 a royal PITA to reload due to its short length and overall small size...YMMV Rod
 
bn12gg said:
Colt 1903 in either .32 or .380 is pretty much a downsized 1911.
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Only in the sense that it's an all-metal pistol with a separate guide rod under the barrel, a barrel bushing, a grip safety, a manual thumb safety, screw-on grip panels, and COLT trademarks on it. :rolleyes:

The M1903 design is almost entirely different otherwise.

The Llama .380 and Star S/SS are much closer to being a true downsized M1911 in .380, although IIRC the Llama uses blowback operation, and the Star has the usual Star design modifications (no grip safety or plunger tube, pinned trigger, external extractor).
 
The .32 was lethal enough to start WW1.
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Oops! You are wrong.

From Google: Gavrilo Princip Weapon

An FN M1910 pistol, the same as the one used by Gavrilo Princip to assassinate Archduke Franz Ferdinand
Princip's pistol was confiscated by the authorities and eventually given, along with the Archduke's bloody undershirt, to Anton Puntigam, a Jesuit priest who was a close friend of the Archduke and had given the Archduke and his wife the last rites. The pistol and shirt remained in the possession of the Austrian Jesuits until they were offered on long-term loan to the Museum of Military History in Vienna in 2004. It is now part of the permanent exhibition there. The weapon is a 9-mm "9 short", .380 ACP pistol FN Browning Model 1910 made in Belgium by Fabrique Nationale d'Herstal with the serial number 19074.
 
Colt 1903 in either .32 or .380 is pretty much a downsized 1911.
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Nope. The Model 1903 was a blow-back pistol with a fixed barrel. The 1911 has a locked breech.

The master JMB was simply practicing prior to upsizing/morphing the 1911.
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What does that mean?

Generals and mobsters found utility in the .32 and/or .380. Good enough for me.
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How would that make it good?
 
FWIW the Gavrilo Princip pistol has been discussed on TFL before.

The historical record about it is rather convoluted because the pistol itself vanished during WWI and wasn't found until 2004 when it was uncovered in an incidental search of the personal effects of the long-deceased monk to whom it had been given. Prior to that, all that was known of the pistol came from Austro-Hungarian court records, which reportedly gave very sketchy descriptions that contradicted one another. Consequently, histories written prior to 2004 were generally incorrect, and contradicted one another depending on which (incorrect) primary source was followed. This resulted in many histories stating that the pistol was a .32 and even some stating that it was a revolver! :rolleyes:
 
"I already have a Browning 1910 in .32
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Good for you but some of us would like a new firearm. :) For those wondering about the Colt 1903, a quick search showed these were a temporary anniversary edition. And they were a bit expensive. The one thing that may have made me hesitate is I read it doesn't have the same kind of modern safety found on guns now. Also, although people say it shoots at a comfortable angle, I think the design looks "old". (I think the Browning 1911-22 and -380 look nice in the Black Label design with the rails).

Does anyone have a clue as to why the Tanfoglio FT7 seems unavailable in North America? Here's a .32 ACP that seems "right-sized" (about the same as the Beretta Cheetah 81) and it also looks good enough. I found one on a Bulgarian web site for the equivalent of $460 U.S. dollars or $615 Canadian dollars. I could still pay more than that for a handgun but just saying the FT7 may be a decent gun at that price.

"The Browning 1911-22 and 1911-380 are the same size. Both are 85% the size of a real 1911."
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Whoops, allow me to hide under a carpet. lol, just kidding. I don't know how I made that error. OK, just to be clear, I'd like a Browning 1911-32 at 85% the size of a 1911. ;)

"I would get one for home defense solely because it would be 15 Db quieter than a 9 or 45."
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Does anyone know what the sound type/level differences are between the .22 lr, .32 ACP and .380 ACP?

"Same size as the Browning 380, but in 9mm."
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My guess it it might recoil too hard to be pleasant to shoot (and maybe a bit less accurate follow-up shots).

"I don't understand how the .380 is more dangerous than the 32acp."
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I can imagine with the correct placement, a .32 ACP would still be lethal. However, there are gel ballistics videos on Youtube that show clear differences. The .380 ACP seems closer to a .38 Special (in gel and actual humans). The .32 ACP cavity channel (in FBI ballistics gel) with a full metal jacket bullet looks like a much more narrow straight line. The .32 ACP also doesn't show the large devastating damage you see for a 9mm for example.

"If that is your main concern, I feel I must suggest that you buy/carry a "big stick"
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Maybe I was not using the correct example when I said an accidental shooting. Let's examine another scenario. Let's suppose someone is in a road rage incident. The person is 15 feet away and makes a threat. This person moves 5 feet towards you and after a verbal warning, you shoot once in the leg as a second warning. If that person decides to stop there, do you want that hit to be fatal? Shooting with a .327 Federal Magnum or 9mm may cripple that person for life.

"Or maybe "shoots just like a 22, only at four times the cost"
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Well, how about "more realistic as a practice gun". Like for example, a bit louder and a bit more recoil than a .22 lr. So, more realistic practice for a larger caliber like 9mm or .327 Federal Magnum. You also wouldn't face the risk of damaging your wrists by firing a .32 ACP. As a medium-sized gun it would be more comfortable to hold for some people as well. (I'm calling the Browning 1911-22 and -380 medium-sized even though Hickok45 calls them small. His hands are huge though. I mean they're medium-sized compared to pocket pistols and full-sized 1911s. And also because Browning states they tried different sizes to find the "right size").

I might try answering other messages later... :)
 
This person moves 5 feet towards you and after a verbal warning, you shoot once in the leg as a second warning. If that person decides to stop there, do you want that hit to be fatal? Shooting with a .327 Federal Magnum or 9mm may cripple that person for life.
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If you are legally justified to shoot someone in the leg you are justified to shoot center mass. Shooting someone in the leg will most likely get you in a lawsuit that even if you win you will be broke by the time its over. Like my uncle the cop always said, "if you shoot you shoot to kill. That way there are only two people who know what happened and one of them ain't talking".:eek:

And a hit in the leg with a 32acp that cuts the femoral artery will give you a bleed out in about 30 seconds and a dead guy on your hands.
 
Geeez guys, I lay my 1903 Type 1 down next to my 1911 Government and it looks like a miniature version. Passes the eyeball test or "pretty much" like the 1911.

Thanks for pointing out the structural similarities and differences.

Again, if issued to generals who am I to find 32 acp inadequate for personal defense.

.02. David. :D
 
The old debate as to why German officers used .32/.380 is pretty easy to explain. Much of Nazi Germany's "combat" was against unarmed civilians.

Isn't aluminum a metal ??
 
Let's suppose someone is in a road rage incident. The person is 15 feet away and makes a threat. This person moves 5 feet towards you and after a verbal warning, you shoot once in the leg as a second warning.
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That is a HORRIBLE idea.
 
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