Would You Be Happy With A Crime Gun?

Well this is an interesting thread..:)
Made me think about a subject that I'd never thought before.
And although I fancy myself for being a scientific type of guy, my inner search came up with some interesting results...:)

I seems that I would own a gun, regardless of its "individual history", as long as it has a general historical significance. (Guns used in wars, guns of an important historical figure etc.)
However, I would not buy a new gun, "if I know" that is used in a suicide, or a murder..etc.

This result may also be emerging from the idea that, if I own a gun that has seen a war, I would never use it. Plus, I would indeed never be comfortable with carrying a gun that is used in a terrible crime.

Wow...
I guess I am a mystic, after all....:D


All the best
 
Would I be happy with a crime gun? If it's in good condition why not? At least it's no longer in the criminals hands it's in mine and has the possibility of stopping a criminal that's trying to harm me. There are those who seem to attribute a mysticism to objects or places with which or where violence has been committed and therefore may believe it is haunted, in some cases all this amounts to is watching far too many spooky movies.
 
I own a Czech .32 with BOHIMISCHE WAFFENFABRIK AG PRAG marked on the top of the slide and a tiny eagle and swastika on the frame. Doesn't bother me at all, in fact, it adds attraction (no, not to the lifestyle). What was done with the pistol over the course of it's history, and if it could speak, fascinates me. Why I keep collecting old .32s.

I have a Ruby as well, made by the Spanish for the French Army in WWI. No proofmarks, not sure it was issued, and the darn thing shoots a foot high at fifteen feet. Not an ideal defensive weapon, but good enough to finish someone off after a firing squad, maybe.

A friend's younger brother mistakenly shot himself in the head with a .38 wadcutter out of a Smith .357 when we were in HS (he lived). Dad sold the revolver, I don't recall the new owner worrying about it much.
 
did you ever pick up an old rope and wonder if it was used to hang someone? did you ever look at a used car and wonder if it was used to run someone down?The gun is a tool. just like a hammer or a drill, it isnt the tool that does the work and it isnt the gun that does the killing. its the person that is in possession of said tool.
 
I have the vintage Colt Detective Special that my father used to commit suicide I don't dwell on it, it was my fathers he used it on duty and when the cancer got to much to handle, he used it. It is a tool and nothing else.

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I have a S&W 28 in perfect condition that WAS a suicide gun. Bought it for a fair price in 1985 from the wife complete with a bill of sale after I worked and finalized the case. Good family that did not want the gun back. Have no problem with that. They were happy and appreciative to do it.
 
BTW I have seen a car that was used to run someone down and literally wrap the guy around the axle. Uh...did not want that car...:)
 
I have to take a different tack than most, but being Irish, my superstitious side wins out once in a while. I wouldn't want to own a murder or suicide gun. Yes it's an inanimate object, but I would be willing to bet that there are some reading this that own guns with a "personality" that is hard to put a finger on. The Japanese used to describe their swords as having a soul, some of which were gallant, and some were downright bloodthirsty. I had an old stroked Harley years ago that had killed it's original owner, an friend from high school. I honestly believe that the old whore tried to take me out on two distinct (and sober) occasions. I ended up rolling it into the corner of the garage for a long time, only wheeling it out on those bad old Saturdays when common sense was left on the nightstand. After the third time, it went down the road in pieces, and the frame went to the scrapper.
 
Can a gun really commit a crime?


Years ago I worked in a junk yard, we bought cars that were wrecked and recycled the useable parts. The cars that someone died in were kept in a area waaay back of the place, owner was superstitious. I took the parts off and sent them to the crusher, no ghostys, nothing to worry about.

A haunted gun? :)

or demon possedsed making you want to kill kill kill..... :)

What about reloading the shell casing used in the crime? :)
 
My Dad had an old 1st. gen Colt SA that his Granpa used to kill three robbers in his store in I think Daingerfield,Tx. around 1895. He had a newspaper article about the incedent. His Gramps was an Attorney and ran the General store. I would have loved to have that "crime gun" but a relative got it.:mad:
I bought a Colt Woodsman from a guy in Santa Fe in the early 90's that had a bulged barrel and the outside of the barrel was filed down and the sight removed. I deduced later that this was done to affix some sort of crude silencer. I sent the gun to a 'smith and he cut the barrel down to about 4", put new sights on it and reblued it for me. It was a really great shooter. Then the guy who sold it to me was arrested for the murder of the Hertz? or Avis? Hieress. Turns out he was a hit man, and had killed at least a few other people, no joke!!:eek:. His name was Frank Madiera. Those on here that lived in New Mexico at that time may remember the story. She was actualy killed in Co. I think. I told a guy I knew who was a Santa Fe county sheriff about it and he said that since the barrel was chopped it could not be used for a ballistic comparison.
Even though it was a great little plinker, I ended up selling it. I know it was just a tool but I did not feel good about owning a possible murder weapon.
Just how I felt.
PS, I did tel the buyer about the history, It did not bother him much.
 
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Actually, I have one that was used to murder two people. (A single-shot 20 guage). I have always assumed that it didn't really bother me, but now you have me thinking about it. Maybe there IS a reason I keep it locked up in the gun safe - maybe subconsiously I am in fear of it serruptiously sneaking into my bedroom in the middle of the night and re-starting it's life of crime. :eek:

I guess the idea of inanimate object responsibility could be carried to the extreme in all directions. I suspect that many of the $20 dollar bills we carry have at one time or another been involved in the drug trade and may be responsible for either the death of innocents or the death of an addict - if you assign the criminal actions to the bill itself instead of to the people who actually had control of the process.
 
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i guess it depends on the person really, honestly i would never want a gun that a nazi used to kill innocent people but hey thats just me, plus im biased my grandfather fought them, so with that being said is it any worse for me to want an an enfield rifle or a colt 45??? i suppose not.. Good question though.
 
Would You Be Happy With A Crime Gun? (long)

Maybe/maybe not.
I'm thinking more probably not..

I have a Civil War era saber I bought ~ 45 years ago for $25.00.
Mom and I went with dad on a business trip to Philly and while dad was in meetings, mom and I hit a buch of shops. One shop had a big barrel filled with swords. I begged and pleaded for mom to front me the money ($20.00) to buy one but she said no..you want one, save your money and buy it.
For a whole year, I scrimped and saved my allowance and chore money ans scoured the neioghborhood for returnable bottles and all sorts of other things to save up $20.00.
Finally, a year later, the big day arrived when dad had to go back to Philly.
Boasting $20.00 in my pocket, I couldn't wait to get to the store....
Once there I learned two important lessons. Tax is charged & inflation...
The price had gone up to $25.00 and there was sales tax also..
I was short :(
Mom took pity on me and fronted me the extra $$, but, only on the condition that she could pick out the sword.
I wanted a nice bright shiny Toledo and she had her eye on a rusty old saber.
Mom fancied herself a history buff and she said the saber looked like it "had a history".

Anyhow - with the background out of the way...

Mom and I took a bus to Philadelphia's Natural History Museum, saber in hand.
We met with a guy there and had him look over the saber.

He pointed out a number of things about it which confirmed that it was an actual civil war era relic, not a modern imitation. The two most telling things were - the handle is made of shark skin, not leather. The blade had unmistakeable dark stains, which were, (in his professional opinion), blood stains. His professional assesment was that the saber had been made in the South towards the end of the war and had seen use.

Now, whether it was the truth and an honest appraisal, or some guy at a museum just spinning a good yarn for a 13 year old kid doesn't really matter.
All I can say is that I've looked at that thing a lot in the last 45 years and wondered about those "blood stains".
It does give me a kind of creepy feeling...

Creepy enough that - no - I think I'd pass on most things used to end someones life, rightous or not.

There's only three reasons I hang onto the saber.
- I had to sacrifice a lot to get it.
- It's one of the few things I have anymore from my youth.
- The memory of mom and I doing something together.

On a gun related note..

My grandfather took his own life with a small pistol he'd kept under the counter when he owned a store back in the 1920's. That was in the 1970's.
I had no desire at all to have that gun & would have declined it if offered to me.

Ok - sorry to be so long winded - Merry Christmas to all!
(just to end on an up note!)
 
I had a .357 s&w 686p. One of my friends sitting right next to me shot himself with it. I didn't take it back from the police when they offered it. I will never own a gun that was used for suicide regardless of it just being a tool, but that is just because of personal experience.
 
As long as it was not used by a friend, or family member for suicide I would probably not realy care. As far as to the being used by a firend or family member as a suicide gun it is not the bad juju, or what ever you should wish to call it. It would be the item being a reminder when ever I saw it.
 
Twenty five years ago,I bought a brand new in the cosmoline Chinese made SKS in the paper from a Roses department store here in Fredericksburg.

It was a beautifully made rifle in every respect of the word.

But everytime I picked it up,I thought of my dad,in Korea and the few pictures he showed me of the day a sniper was tracing the unit he was in and the night he almost did'nt make it back from Korea.

I could'nt keep it.

I had to sell it.

Miss you everyday Pop.

Rest In Peace.
 
I've got my county sheriffs old .38super 1911, I sometimes wonder what it's done and what's been done to it. It kinda envokes a strange pride that your gun was in the services and was tested and passed in real situations.
 
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