Would You Be Happy With A Crime Gun?

I'll have the Jews saying 6,000,000 for owning this Luger.
But I don't buy that as ground for not owning it. Sorry.
Click to expand...

Not quite sure what that means. I certainly don't believe that the crimes of an administration from the 1930s dictates what you can own today, regardless of any perceived social guilt, and indeed I feel no guilt should be present. You didn't make the pistol any more than you advocated national socialism in 1937 when the pistol was made

After all, Israel chose a Messerschmitt 109 variant made by Avia, right after WWII. Simple pragmatism. if anyone tells you you're wrong to own the pistol, I'd suggest telling them to hush :)
 
I can't think of a much more eccentric choice of hardware for a 7-11 stickup artiste.
Click to expand...
How about a Stevens Favorite in .32 rimfire? :)

The history given to me was that it had been used in a rather comical attempted robbery attempt, in which the "victim" had taken it from the original owner. Apparently, she then used it to bludgeon him into submission.

The hand-tooled serial number on the stock and the marks that look suspiciously like they were made by a person's teeth seemed to confirm the story.

(Still a bit leery of stuff with Nazi symbols, though I couldn't articulate why.)
 
Still a bit leery of stuff with Nazi symbols, though I couldn't articulate why
Click to expand...

Maybe because everything they did seems to have been given an air of mystery. Look at the symbolism they used. Runes for pete's sake. Runes. Not JRR Tolkien made-up Runes but real ones. They used secret codes on pistols. cyq meant "Spreewerk". All sorts of little nazi eagle stamps, waffenamts, you name it. Hitler's regime developed a national character that it outwardly portrayed in quasi-religious ceremonies. "Gott Mitt Uns" on belt buckles. Daggers with inscriptions, death's heads on caps and badges. Flipping death's heads, like they were cut-throats on the spanish main! As part of a uniform, no less. Then the experiments, the atrocities, and the small children flailing their right arms to salute a monster who beleived in astrology and a bit of the occult. It all reads like a bad Hollywood script, except it was real. Maybe that's why
 
Chris_B said:
They used secret codes on pistols. cyq meant "Spreewerk". All sorts of little nazi eagle stamps, waffenamts, you name it.
Click to expand...

Well, the use of (frequently changed) manufacturer's codes was meant as a security thing. And everybody had proofmarks and inspector's stamps on their guns. Germany's proofmarks used eagles before and after the Nazis.

Chris_B said:
"Gott Mitt Uns" on belt buckles. Daggers with inscriptions, death's heads on caps and badges. Flipping death's heads, like they were cut-throats on the spanish main! As part of a uniform, no less.
Click to expand...

"Gott Mit Uns" was on German army belt buckles all the way to back before the First World War. As a matter of fact, the SS had belt buckles that said "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" and not "Gott Mit Uns". And the "totenkopf" or "death's head" badge goes back to the 18th Century hussars in the Prussian armies of Frederick the Great.

This total thread derail has been brought to you by Too Much Fancy Book Learnin'. :D
 
This total thread derail has been brought to you by Too Much Fancy Book Learnin'.
Click to expand...
I do have some book knowledge but a gun is a gun. What did it do before I decided to own it?

I don't have any "used guns" used by owners that committed suicide. I have a gun that was used in WWII.

That was my point for my own OP.
 
Tom Servo said:
How about a Stevens Favorite in .32 rimfire? :)
Click to expand...

Whoah! You win. :D

Important Tip For Would-Be Banditos: Pick a gun for which ammunition has actually been loaded in the last 75 years... :p
 
Then the experiments, the atrocities, and the small children flailing their right arms to salute a monster who beleived in astrology and a bit of the occult. It all reads like a bad Hollywood script, except it was real. Maybe that's why
Click to expand...
Come to think of it, maybe that's why :o

However, I can look at a Nazi-marked Mauser or Luger, and I can appreciate it as a fine weapon. I can acknowledge the resiliency, the accuracy, and all the other qualities that make it a tool. I'm fully aware that it's an inanimate object. It's just me.

Kind of like how some folks throw salt over their shoulder to keep Cthulhu away.

Important Tip For Would-Be Banditos: Pick a gun for which ammunition has actually been loaded in the last 75 years.
Click to expand...
From what I understand, the incident took place in the early 1960's. I don't imagine the ammo was easy to find back then, but get this: the guy apparently found some sort of cartridge and loaded the gun. It just failed to fire.

I'm thinking .32 Short Colt, and if that's the case, I wish they'd saved the brass! I've got an old Velo revolver in .320 I can't feed...
 
i'd be happy to own a soldiers M9 or 1911 that killed our enemies...I doubt I'd mess with a suicide gun just so I didn't have to think about it every time I picked up the gun..

I like not knowing tho, too..the stories are always better in our heads. :)
 
What you don't know wont hurt you. I wouldn't want one if I knew, but I don't care if I own one that was a crime gun. I'd rather not know. That said, I have only bought NIB guns and not planning on buying a whole lot more for a good long while. :rolleyes:
 
Double Nought Spy said:
Interesting how some folks have issues with "crime" guns, but are more than happy to have lots of "crime" cash.
Click to expand...

Heh.

I hadn't even thought about that, but you sure are right. If you have a circulated $100 bill, it's almost certainly been involved in something illegal. The local crack house or meth lab doesn't take Visa, after all...
 
2damnold4this said:
A lot of guns that are labeled "crime guns" for the purpose of ATF tracing were never used in a crime.
Click to expand...

Yes, but that is immaterial to the thread.

Incidentally, there was a Glock LE distributor in the city where I used to live; occasionally they'd get tons of confiscated guns from departments buying new Glocks, and we'd go paw through the trade-ins to see if there was anything interesting that we'd want to re-sell.

Obviously most of it was zinc garbage. Interestingly, the most common non-zinc autoloaders were Ruger Mk.-whatever rimfires. Which I guess makes sense since they're about as common as dirt. Lotsa P-series centerfires and Taurii, too.
 
Am I mistaken that guns taken into evidence in suicides, robberies etc are engraved with evidence numbers and initials? Is this a department by department policy?

I have a gun that was involved in a shooting and when it got back from evidence it was marked like that.
 
But, let us say, you have the opportunity to buy a Third Reich Luger or a Russian Kalishnakov or other most likely to oppose the forces you happen to have been aligned with. Do you assign an evil stigma to the gun or do you appreciate the gun?
Click to expand...

Not a problem. In fact, Dad picked up a pistol used by a German soldier to commit suicide on April 30, 1945. Dad said he was a fugly fellow with floppy hair and a little mouse mustache.


Hmmm, I wonder if that old relic is worth anything?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_B
They used secret codes on pistols. cyq meant "Spreewerk". All sorts of little nazi eagle stamps, waffenamts, you name it.

Well, the use of (frequently changed) manufacturer's codes was meant as a security thing. And everybody had proofmarks and inspector's stamps on their guns. Germany's proofmarks used eagles before and after the Nazis.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_B
"Gott Mitt Uns" on belt buckles. Daggers with inscriptions, death's heads on caps and badges. Flipping death's heads, like they were cut-throats on the spanish main! As part of a uniform, no less.

"Gott Mit Uns" was on German army belt buckles all the way to back before the First World War. As a matter of fact, the SS had belt buckles that said "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" and not "Gott Mit Uns". And the "totenkopf" or "death's head" badge goes back to the 18th Century hussars in the Prussian armies of Frederick the Great.

This total thread derail has been brought to you by Too Much Fancy Book Learnin'.
Click to expand...

Hi. You're assuming I don't know any of that, which is unfortunately a bad assumption

My point was, and the point I did make was, that the third reich demostrably used those things. Their origins do not and cannot sponge away the fact that the third reich used them as well. I never suggested that only Hitler's regime used those things. But I am suggesting that only his regime used all those things.

The difference between an SS buckle and a Heer buckle is not lost on me but noting the difference was not required to make my point; the fact that a diffence existed does not negate the fact that the buckle I describe was used, for example. Knowing what a death's head translates to in german also wasn't required for me to express the ideas I was conveying ;) All of that would have been wasted time on my part

While things like death's heads and inscriptions on buckles were not 'new' to the 1930s, over time, barbarity and tokens of it take on new meaning. The choice of a death's head was not merely a nod to some time honored tradition. It was meant to evoke a certain repsonse, an aura. Nazi uniforms an indeed all their symbology was carefully considered
 
Last edited:
I would dig a military sidearm that had seen combat. Regardless of on who's "Team" or what not.

Crime guns too. I find that interesting personally. Suicide guns are the least attractive to me, but even they are welcome. Can't blame the tool for the trade. I'd hate to see them go away because some liberal toolbag thought it was "yucky" or something from having been used in combat/crime.
 
I've never had much use for it, but I can think of no better place for it:

Are you ready???

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
 
Call me what you will, but I think used guns, that have a history are more appealing. For example old WW1, WW2, or Vietnam guns I think are very cool and would be fun to own.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top