Would You Be Happy With A Crime Gun?

Chris_B said:
You're assuming I don't...
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You're assuming that I'm assuming that you're assuming... Oh, never mind. ;)

But saying that the Nazis were trying to be mystical by stamping little eagles on their guns is specious when the Kaiser and the Wiemar Republic and West Germany all did likewise...
 
Only if you want to..

I'd say good deeds, bad deeds done with a firearm we could choose to shrug them off if we want to.

But just about everybody chooses to give value to some things that go beyond the straight-up physical value. Like a wedding ring, Christmas, Veteran's Day, anyone's birthday, anniversary. Just a hunk of metal, just another day on the calender - if we want them to be.
We assign value maybe not because we have to but if we want to choose to think of some things.

For a "crime gun" or "suicide gun" the sentimental value wouldn't necessarily have to be negative. It could serve as a reminder for a lot of things about life that are true.

Personally though, unless it was a great deal I don't think I'd be able to refrain from spilling any detailed gory history of the piece to my wife or anyone I show the gun to. Then that would creep them out. But in principal, wouldn't it be great to take things that were misused and to put them to work enriching people's lives?
 
My dad had a Baby Nambu pistol he got from the dead Japanese officer who was shooting at him. There was also a fighting Bolo stained with blood. No problem with that either.

I don't buy used guns but a suicide gun? UHHHH!!!! If it was something I couldn't live without and didn't have any icky bits and blood.
 
I prefer used firearms, not worn out, but broken in and with a look that will make you think that maybe, just maybe it has seen some interesting stuff.



The local crack house or meth lab doesn't take Visa, after all...
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How unimaginative; Western Union takes plastic & is popular in many of the more "interesting" neighborhoods. :)
 
My dad had a Baby Nambu pistol he got from the dead Japanese officer who was shooting at him. There was also a fighting Bolo stained with blood. No problem with that either.
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I would think that a war trophy of a gun that was being used to try to kill you would be a very special sort of "crime gun" to have.
 
A gun is not just a tool. If it were then a Nazi Luger would not sell for a premium over the same pistol made before the Nazis took power or after they were defeated. If it were just a tool you wouldn't find people paying a premium for certain crime guns.

A gun is also a symbolic object in the same way that a flag is more than a piece of cloth.

I choose not to own any Nazi memorabilia. I choose to do so because of what it symbolizes. I choose not to burn an American flag. I do so because of what it symbolizes.

Guns used in crimes lack the type of symbolic power that a 1911 used in WWII has. But for some people the association is unsettling just as some people don't want to buy a bed someone has died in.

Personally the thought that someone has been killed by a gun I might want to buy doesn't bother me. Unfortunately the police here no longer resell crime guns so it's not an issue.
 
i have a revoler my father in law killed 2 armed robbers with. it is a nice gun in good condition and i'm glad my father in law was able to protect himself with it. other than that it belonged to my father in law it has no special meaning to me as a "crime gun".

i would buy a police auction gun if it met my needs without careing what it may have been used for. i think it would be morbid to actively seek out guns that have "done the deed" vecause they have done the deed.
 
My Uncle has the shotgun my Grandma killed an intruder with, he uses it for bird hunting :) it is a double 12 after all :)
 
My Momma's Colt Frontier Scout is one,,,

Well, not a crime gun,,,
But one with a notch in it's grip.

Symbolic notch I should say.

Mom shot and dropped an intruder,,,
Three well placed .22 LR rounds did the trick.

My older sister would never touch the gun again,,,
I got a warm fuzzy knowing Mom defended home & hearth with it.

When I was a kid and lots of WW-II vets were in their early 40's,,,
I don't think I ever heard one gripe about people having German guns.
But they hated the mid 60's craze of wearing German helmets as motorcycle gear.

Aarond
 
Only question I ask when buying used is 'do you have any knowledge if it's stolen'. Other than that, I don't ask for any history. A gun was made to expel a projectile straight out of the bore, and nothing more----the human is the one who decides where that bullet impacts.

I like the 'daydreamability' that not knowing where my guns have been before provides. Gives me something to waste my time on, just wondering where it could have been.

sixgun
 
Back in 1985 a guy that I worked with accidently killed himself with a 22 rifle.Since I also knew some of the other family members,I offered to buy the gun for a fair market price.I kept it for several years and eventually sold it to my son-in-law.It was a good firearm,but like all the rest it was just a tool.It had no feelings,and made no decisions on it own about how it was going to be used.
 
But saying that the Nazis were trying to be mystical by stamping little eagles on their guns is specious when the Kaiser and the Wiemar Republic and West Germany all did likewise...
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....is something I didn't say :)

In reply to someone's feelings on the subject, I said "Maybe because everything they did seems to have been given an air of mystery." Bold is my addition just now

You've misunderstood my point :) I understand and agree with what you're saying
 
The difference between Nazi and Imperial German use of eagles and other symbols, is that many Nazis believed those symbols had totemic power.

At least that's what I think the point of Chris_B's post was.
 
Might be from Hitlers exposure to the Thule society, black majic and all that demonic BS. He did after all attempt to round up a lot of religious artifacts. The guy was warped, watch the rise and fall of the third riech. It tells the tale of a entire country and ours being brainwashed by that fiend.

I find it strange that humans can lower themselves to that level of unhumanity.
 
We all use symbols

But they only have the power you give them.

We have created a cult about the Nazis, enshrining them as the ultimate evil (and not without good cause), but along with that comes a fascination with the trappings of that evil.

Just look at all the cop shows, mass murderer movies and books, we have a national obsession with the bad guys, and their getting caught. As the Nazis were the ultimate bad guys, and they did "get caught", they top the list.

I see three general reactions (besides disinterest) to Nazi marked items, those few who vererate the Nazi ideals and philosophy, those who abhor the items & symbols because of what they represented, and those who understand what they represented, and also understand what they represent today. And that is that WE WON! We (the good guys) beat and destroyed the bad guys, leaving only some of their items to survive as proof.

And we are secure, and take pride in the knowledge that those items, in our hands will never again be part of the evil they once were.

At least, thats how I see it.
I have several Nazi guns. I have a few Japanese ones. And some British, Russian, and US weapons. They don't fight WWII in my gun safe. They just sit there peacfully, like the inanimate objects they are. Each one with a general history that comes more alive each time I use them.

History is worth remembering. ALL of it, the good and the bad. Crime guns have individual history, which is a small thing to me. A suicide gun is also irrelvant to me. The most I would ever think about it would be, if someone brought it up, that it won't be used like that while I own it.

I live in a house where the previous tenant OD'd thirty years ago. TO me, machts nichts!
 
Guns are objects, not mystical icons infused with some kind of power or history. They do not carry their history with them. Your concept means nothing to me. Only exception might be a gun with a documented history that could have monetary value to a collector.
 
Like others have said it is just a tool with a history.

It just means that you have a story to tell at the campfire!:D
 
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