Why no NRA?

That's fine just don't fall down.

P.S. I hate to break it to you but most firearms owners in this country do not view it the same way most of us here do. They are very casual gun owners who are not regular shooters and hobbyist. They are the middle.
 
"They are very casual gun owners who are not regular shooters and hobbyist. The are the middle."
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As some extremist around here said:

"Senators Schumer, Feinstein, Kennedy and others are counting on it."

Oh, that was me............
 
"The message is you are with us or your against us."

That's NOT the message. The message is "There are a lot of powerful people against us, so it sure would help if you were with us."

Tim
 
Tim that might be your message but that is not the one I am hearing from others.

This is exactly the lame type of excuse that pisses me off. If your excuse making type do not support the NRA, how the HECK do you expect the NRA to make any progress in your state? The NRA needs money to get anything done.
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What people like sasquatch don't seem to understand is that there is more than one way to get this done. There is more than one group who supports our rights.

My personal stance on the 2nd comes from my believe in individual rights and personal freedoms. I disdain group think even if I agree with the main issue. I support 2nd rights locally with my $$$$, my vote and my voice.

Simply because I choose not to particpate in the NRA does not mean I do not care.
 
rellascout

"This is exactly the lame type of excuse that pisses me off. If your excuse making type do not support the NRA, how the HECK do you expect the NRA to make any progress in your state? The NRA needs money to get anything done."
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"What people like sasquatch don't seem to understand is that there is more than one way to get this done. There is more than one group who supports our rights."
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Well, that quote didn't come from me.

I'll just bet that there are thousands of middle-of-the-road gun-owners (or more to the point EX-GUN OWNERS) in California wishing that the NRA had come to their defense. For them it is way too late.
 
Sasquatch you are correct that you did not make that statement. I realized after I posted it that it might be take that way.

You are correct that the many citizens of CA wish someone had helped them. but don't you think a state group like the VCDL would have been more effective then the NRA? I think so.
 
No, I don't.

You can add up all of the other pro-gun groups in this country, and I do not believe that the total battles they have won (and they are battles, whether you think so or not) would add up to what the NRA has accomplished.

As an aside, the NRA does many,many more positive things than just act as a lobbying group. No other group even comes close on those issues.
 
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Isn't there some kind of hunting group that poses and posts to newsgroups as being pro-gun, but is really, in fact, anti-gun?
 
Americans for Gun Safety, bankrolled by Andrew McKelvey, who was at one time on the board of HCI.

According to the NRA_ILA....

"His enormous donations to HCI`s "Legal Action Project" underwrote the flurry of reckless municipal lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry, but he abandoned that group after becoming disenchanted with its lack of effectiveness in advancing the anti-gun agenda."

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=61&issue=014
 
It's called the National Rifle Association for a reason.

If you do not support groups such as the NRA because you choose to participate on a more local basis, you're making a big mistake.

You should support both if you really care what happens on a federal and state level.
 
The level of opposition to the NRA that I am reading in this one topic alone, is almost vehmic in nature.

I most certainly have heard similar arguments from supporters of the anti-gun agenda.

It would not surprise me to find anti-gun, Americans for Gun Safety supporters wandering the halls of this forum and others.
 
The level of opposition to the NRA that I am reading in this one topic alone, is almost vehmic in nature.

I most certainly have heard similar arguments from supporters of the anti-gun agenda.

It would not surprise me to find anti-gun, Americans for Gun Safety supporters wandering the halls of this forum and others.
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That's it you caught me. :) I am a mole and the motives for all my activity here and on other forums is to undermine the 2nd Amend. I don't even own guns. :barf: :eek: :D

Are we a bit paranoid?
 
Group Think?

O.K., rellascout, you may not like "group think", but how do you feel about "group act"? It's the only way anything gets accomplished in a representative democracy with lobbyists and influence peddling. There are things I don't like about darn near every organization I've ever belonged to. I had to learn to see past that and focus on the main issue. The NRA will use its resources to protect, and, hopefully, expand our firearms and 2nd. A. rights. They are the big dog. I think it's prudent to bet on the big dog. The more of us that bet on it, the better its chances of winning. While we're arguing about the minutiae and treating this like a philosophical debate, the anti's are moving ahead like steamrollers. Don't trivialize them. Read the bills they propose. Look at their stated long-term goals. Ask a Californian. Ask a Brit. Ask a German who's old enough to remember the rise of the 3rd Reich. Ask a Brazilian. What will you have to say on these groups when stricter gun laws come to pass?
 
"What will you have to say on these groups when stricter gun laws come to pass?"

Most NRA-haters who show up in these threads will say something like "Don't blame me! *I* joined Southwestern Martian Zombies for Gun Rights! They *never* compromise."

Tim
 
Rob,

I understand what you are saying that there are compromises in every group. You are correct that the NRA has a larger voice but my question is it the right voice. The way I see it as soon as I give them my $$$, they get to add 1 to the ranks on every publication, every email, every brochure and lobbying effort, then they are presenting me.

If I do not agree with their tactics and their message why would I want them to represent me? Why would I pay for them to speak on my behalf.

PS This is a philosophical debate which has real world conseqences.
 
rellascout

"The way I see it as soon as I give them my $$$, they get to add 1 to the ranks on every publication, every email, every brochure and lobbying effort, then they are presenting me."
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And that, my friend, is exactly what helps the NRA in their battles. The anti-gun folks do not want to see the NRA become more powerful. If, magically, NRA membership (and coffers) were to double overnight, our anti-gun enemies would think twice before taking them on in another effort to strip our (and your) 2nd Amendment rights.

Imagine the 800-lb. gorilla becoming the 1600-lb. gorilla. That would cause Feinstein and Schumer many sleepless nights.
 
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