Why no makarov in 9mm?

As to the original topic, I have a blow back 9MM. It's called a Hi-Point C9. The mass of the slide to make a straight blow back 9MM Luger work safely is one of the main objections to the gun.
To the side discussion, the 8 round, single stack magazine works flawlessly in my C9. Considering you can't get much more "technically challenged" than a Hi-Point I'd say the shape of the 9MM Luger round is not an issue.
 
I really don't care what anyone says, the taper design on the 9x19 is a real problem for single stack nines and nothing is going to change my opinion! I have HEARD more than one gun designer opine about the issue and I will continue to put my trust in them over some internet information. Glock will make a single stack .40 but never make a single stack 9 in my opinion!
 
I really don't understand your stubbornness to not look at what actually is, not what your theory is.
I can attest to two other examples I actually own, and shoot without problem.
Star B, single stack 9MM, Walther P1 (P38) single stack 9MM. In addition to a Kahr CM 9 that has not had any feeding problems when slingshotting the slide as long as it is completely released after being fully retracted.
So in my "real world" experience there is no adverse effect of the tapered case of the 9MM.
But if your "theory" makes you happy, so be it.:D
 
agent, I doubt anyone will change your mind, or even wants to. I admit that I am not a gun designer, and have only had the opportunity to personally interact with one gun designer in my life. I am just someone who admires the fact that gun designers have apparently been able to overcome whatever tapered case problems that may exist. I am a fan of the 9X19MM, and enjoy owning and shooting the caliber in guns that are functioanlly reliable, whether that be single or double stack. If the single stack types didn't work reliably, I wouldn't want one either. Boringly reliable single stack pistols I've owned, or still own, would include various 9MM 1911s, HK P7 and P7M8, various S&Ws, Walther P-38/P-1, SIG P239s, both Swiss and German SIG P210s, etc. So kudos to the gun designers whose efforts that have provided me/us with 9MM single stack designs that have been as reliable, for me anyway, as the double stack FN/Brownings, CZs, SIGs, and yes Glocks, that I enjoy.
 
With all due respect, Kahr has solved the phenomenon with patented designs such as off set barrel feed ramps on their barrels and cartridge presentation angles from their magazine. If you read the Kahr manual it will explicitly tell you to charge the weapon using the slide release. Kahr is one of my sources of information and I will put my faith in their engineering department over internet bloviation any day of the week.

Kel Tec uses a Mag Gear mag from Italy and after a few hundred rounds the single stack PF 9 will cut a nice groove in the mag follower because of the phenomena whereas a very high tension mag spring is used this will cause the last round to fail to feed. Then there is the classic Mag Rattle of the P 11 double stack because of the tapered design of the 9x19 cartridge. I also had a long conversation with their engineering staff as well when I was at their factory as well in Cocoa Beach FL.

With all due respect I will trust the gun makers engineering staff over any internet bloviation.
 
Again with all due respect, There is a good reason why all those older single stack nines are out of production......BTW, the S&W Shield is not a true single stack either in 9x19. :) Kahr seems to have the best solution and a US patent to go with it.:D Thin single stack guns are their niche' and the only product that produce. Straight walled ammo 32, 380, 40 and 45 have never presented the tapered cartridge phenomena or feeding problems in a single stack configuration.
 
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Agent,
A: Kahr's offset feed ramp has nothing to do with 9mm and everything to do with making room for the trigger bar and making the pistol thinner. If it had to do with the 9mm then my CW45 wouldn't have an offset ramp.
B: there are plenty of 9mm single stacks still in production Sig P239 and many 1911 9mm
 
Sig P6/225. But what do those know nothings at Sig know anyhow?

The reason for staggered, double stack magazines is..........wait for it...........it might stun you..........get ready........HIGHER CAPACITY!
 
That is why the Sig 225 is out of production today, never to return. Browning even saw the problem of the tapered 9x19 Luger cartridge and starting out with a double stack Hi Power concept. Unfortunately he died before the design came to fruition. Double off set stacking the 9x19 tapered round solves the arcing phenomena and has made the 9x19 a viable pistol cartridge. Simple geometry!:D
 
Right! If there wasn't your hypothetical problem with single stack 9MM magazines, Which there isn't, there would be no high capacity (hence the name High Power) 9MM handguns!

That one deserves a ROTFL more than any other post.:D:D:D

Sig didn't switch to double stack mags because of a problem. They switched to get higher capacity.
 
Okay, so what? I have a Glock .40 issued to me that has consistently impressed me also. That's not the point. How many rounds does it carry?
 
That's not the point. How many rounds does it carry?
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Ah yes, lose the argument, change the point!
Your point, proven wrong by decades of various successful single stack 9MM handguns, was that a single stack 9MM would not work. Remember?
 
And now, back on topic.
The 9X19 is a high pressure round that would be too powerful for a blow back design as light as the Makarov.
 
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Don't get excited this is only the internet of which only about 6% is true. If you want to call yourself a winner, be my guest but it won't erase the 9x19 tapered cartridge design problems. Try stacking over 8 rounds and see what happens. The small pocket nines of today are ammo limited by single stacking. Kahr has the best way of doing it, in my humble opinion and the only one accepted for law enforcement use to my knowledge.
 
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