Are you suggesting that there is data on the subject here that has been complied? Wow! That's great! Where is it? I love good research!
Uhhh? You did not mean the random anecdotes that are posted here do you?
A few errors of logic that I would like to point out.
Does one have to be an expert in one of those fields to form an opinion? If so, very few would be able to participate in these forums. What are your qualifications? Am I allowed to raise the bar to make your qualifications irrelevant?Are you a gunsmith, engineer, metallurgist, armorer, or otherwise qualified as an expert in the field of manufacturing? Unless you have some qualifications relative to the subject, why would a single, bumper-sticker style opinion carry any weight?
NO. Thou I don't have the evidence, I'd bet S&W sells more guns than Taurus, and yet the claims of shoddy QC appear higher with Taurus. This is 100% anecdotal, so feel free to shoot holes in my theory.Can all the claims of shoddy QC be fake in regards to S&W and Colt?
I never said faultless. I feel better spending more money on something like a S&W. I think it's a better product, and if there is an issue, I know S&W will resolve it. This is how I feel. It's an emotion based purely on my own observations. I don't own a Colt, and I'm not an expert in one of the many fields you listed above, so I can't comment on them.I have "spent the extra dollars" on Colt and S&W and it did not result in a faultless firearm (see my experiences with Colt and S&W above).
Thankfully we have people like you to correct another persons opinion.No offense meant, but your reasoning is less than logical.
Just by the number of models, and availability of Taurus guns that claim is very doubtful.I'd bet S&W sells more guns than Taurus,
And experience with Taurus ownership?It's an emotion based purely on my own observations.
A typical quote about Hi-Point, and could be equally applied to Taurus.
Quote:
My "favorite" Hi-Point post read:
"They are no good unreliable inaccurate worthless junk and if I ever see one...."
No need to guess, the BATF compiles statistics on manufacturing and imports.I'd bet S&W sells more guns than Taurus
Just by the number of models, and availability of Taurus guns that claim is very doubtful.
All 98,000 were modified? If that's the case, why would Taurus recall them? A manufacturer has no responsibility to insure that their products function when modified by anyone, let alone by someone who is mentally impaired.From what I have understood, those pistols were modified by retarded "gunsmiths".
All 98,000 were modified? If that's the case, why would Taurus recall them?
I give Taurus enough credit that they would be able to do the same analysis you did to verify that the gun can't malfunction that way without "insane modifications". Which gets us back to the point that manufacturers don't recall items simply because some nut finds a way to screw them up....I read somewhere that unauthorized gunsmiths were to blame for some of these pistols malfunctions, in which tuarus did not know about.
This is also problematic from a logical standpoint. If the U.S. guns are identical to the recalled guns, and Taurus believes that there's sufficient reason to recall the Brazilian guns, then what possible rationale could they have for not recalling the U.S. guns too?These pistols that were recalled are built the same way the US versions of the 24/7 are. They are the same thing.
If they know they are modified then they wouldn't recall them since recalls are to address manufacturing defects or design flaws
Do you recall where you read that the malfunctions were user induced?
Also, where did you find the information indicating that the U.S. 24/7 pistols are identical to the pistols being recalled in Brazil?
assume that all of the handguns imported from Brazil were made by Taurus that would still mean that S&W produced about twice as many handguns in 2011 as Taurus imported to the U.S. during the same timeframe
You got me curious so I started poking around.From what I understand, the 24/7 series were designed for Brazlian Police forces predominately, then distributed them to the US. There is no evidence that shows the US variants being mechanically different than the brazilian police versions.
I made no assumptions or claims about Taurus production. I provided S&W total handgun PRODUCTION figures but the figure relating to Taurus was the number of handguns IMPORTED to the U.S. from Brazil.You are also under the wrong assumption that every gun Taurus produces are sold in the United States.
Do you have world wide numbers for both companies?