Who will check Bush's alleged abuses of power, and what of the future?

[buckster]

Bush abuses

The ports: Article 1 Section 8. They said today on Lou Dobbs that it was a done deal. He did not consult, much less get it approved by Congress. Since DHS, the Coast Guard both mentions "holes" in security and 97% of Americans disagree, that brings up Article 4 section 4. There are 22 ports affected not 6. He strong armed Congress to get the other treaties through, and I'll check the Bill of rights on those.

 

[Rimrock]

Orig Post JerryM

I have said before and will again, that in spite of all the "Hate Bush" rhetoric, GWB is one of the best presidents in my lifetime, and I was alive when FDR died. I remember HT well, and prefer GWB.

I respectfully disagree sir. My father died just before the 2000 "selections". Only then did we learn of his Silver Star, Bronze Star and multiply Purple Hearts earned in heroic acts for fellow soldiers and country.. He would be so saddened by the subverting of our nation and it's democracy out of greed and misguided political agendas. There's only 34% left who remain blindly loyal to these dispicable characters.
Next time, for starters lets screen out those who can't speak or comprehend the language!

Rimrock

 

[JerryM]

[ He would be so saddened by the subverting of our nation and it's democracy out of greed and misguided political agendas.]

Maybe yes and maybe no. How do you know? Are you placing your own views on him?

I think that all of us are saddened, but to aim at GWB is an error. He is just doing what he should. It is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but when one is in the hotseat, and must make the decisions it is a different story.

It is a shame that few of our politicians in either party have the nation's best interest at heart and above their own political desires for power. But as it stands the Republican party has the high moral ground, and that is why I am one. I am not really a "party man" as such, but one has to decide which party stands closer to his own beliefs and support that party.

When I think of the Al Gores and Kerrys and Clintons in power and especially today with the crisis we face, I am very sure which party I support.

I remember a little saying, "Them that can do. Them that can't are critics."

Jerry

 

[buckster]

Bush abuses other treaties

The Declaration of Independence paragraphs 3 and 4 for the other treaties. Please read your rights people, all the answers are there. As I was reading The D of I it reminded me of was is going on right now. The constitution party.com Print it out and put it every where. G W B is not upholding the oath of his office as sworn in. He's done it twice! Three times and we're the fools.

 

[Ilovemyak47]

Rimrock, i'm liking your posts more and more...

It's a real shame just how subverted things have become, whether in washington or in the 4th estate, everyone's in cahoots and it's only gonna get worse...

And how can anyone truly believe that King George and company truly have the people's wellbeing at heart and not every corporate lobbyist that's paid for a ticket to enter the park?? The latest ballyhoo over the ports is just the latest example. And if i hear one more person blasting how those dang liberals are at it with their 'lies, and traitorous (power hungry) actions' I'm gonna snap...are people really that blind to who's lying and been at it with the truly traitorous actions?? Bush is against the people, and that's not a partisian comment, that's simply a logical observation based on being informed to WHAT'S GOING ON. As for anyone still rooting for him, ask them if saddam had any prewar connections to 9/11 or al queda, if they answer yes they're a detriment to society and should be put down for continuing to believe propaganda.

 

[JerryM]

OK, if you folks don't want GWB in then who would you vote for? I bet it would be some third party candidate that has no chance of winning, and you would throw your vote away and not be relevant to the election.
TRUE?

Jerry

 

[jcoiii]

Thanks buckster, I'll read up on the stuff you posted

 

[Rob P.]

Asking who we'd vote for instead of GWB is sort of asking a loaded question. Lots of folks say they'd vote for Condi Rice (I wouldn't) but she says she won't run (smart gal - she'd lose both the campaign AND her reputation). Hilliary is a fool if she runs. Too many people with no moral compunctions HATE her. The secret service would be so overwhelmed by these people they couldn't keep her safe if she were to win. And she has to know this.

I personally don't know who I'd vote for because I don't know if there's a viable candidate amongst ANY of our representatives. I believe that Frist is manuevering for a run (but that's just my opinion) and may be the GOP's favorite in the next election. He's a poor choice IMO but lots of republicans will vote for him BECAUSE he's republican.

Most of the governors either won't run or have no hope because they're losers too. Maybe it's time for a third party candidate. Not some no-name, but someone who really has a chance and can energize both sides of the divide.

I have no idea who that'd be however. And neither does the majority of America.

 

[joab]

You don't consider what was done at Abu Ghraib torture?

Dereliction of duty, conduct unbecoming and criminal mistreatment of prisoners maybe, but torture?

Exactly what acts of torture did you hear about?


And Buckster
Please explain the "treaty" that BushCo entered into with the UAE

 

[joneb]

President Bush decided to take the fight to our enemies instead of waiting for them to nail us again, there's something to be said for that. Nobody cared to keep Hitler in check and look what happened.

 

[Rimrock]

Posted by JerryM

Maybe yes and maybe no. How do you know? Are you placing your own views on him?

Sir, please give me credit for knowing my father's views on such important matters as this country's leadership.

But as it stands the Republican party has the high moral ground, and that is why I am one.

I'm having trouble with this as well.
Ask the folks on the South Coast (Katrina victims or as Laura Bush calls it "Corina") if GWB/KRove have the moral high ground. I mean the one's who can still communicate.
Ask the population of Africa witnessing the slaughter of tens of thousands of the innocent daily while the "GWB Men" get comfy on the couch for Fox News and obsess over Iraqi "freedom"
Ask the woman working under a phony "Made In USA" label thanks to crooked Republican politicians and lobbyists in slave conditions in Guam and Saipan who are forced into mandatory abortions when they become pregnant. Now there's some family values!
Ask the thousands of children whose parents are maimed for life or worse lost to this "war" under false pretenses. Ask the private citizens who have been abused by his misguided spy caper and paranoia. Ask the taxpayers who have been fleeced out of billions for nonsensical projects which benefit only the rich in the name of democracy. Ask the victims of Jack Abramoff or Hot Tub Tom Delay. Ask a vet who had his benefits stagnate or reduced while this Republican House, Senate and Executive Branch fiddle! What about our gun rights? When will there ever be another total Republican control of the "whole nine" to enhance our gun status....Never? Yahtzee!.... we have a winner! The closest these guys got to "gun news" was when one of them shot a guy and then tried to hide it!
Tell me when you've had enough because I can jamb this board with their sins, sir! Or would you compare any of the aforementioned to a bad "hummer" in the Oval Office by a puggie intern. Please enlighten me as to the moral high ground of the Republicans and especially this group of slime. It somehow escapes me!
Pass the Tylenol!

Rimrock

 

[Wildcard]

You don't consider what was done at Abu Ghraib torture?

NO!.

 

[DonR101395]

Gee, just what we needed another I hate GWB thread. If you don't like the guy fair enough, but guess what you've got him another two years then you get to try again. Maybe we can get Hillary and Al in office. That should be a real boost for security. We can wait here and plead for them to stop blowing us up instead of going out and finding them and killing them. We won't have the funds to go looking for the enemy since we'll be funding welfare, and a bunch of other touchy feely programs. Hey maybe we can enroll the terrorists in the welfare program and get them some counseling then they can express their true feelings. They probably don't hate us, it's really a repressed childhood and they are actually angry at their parents who didn't show them enough attention.
Abu Garab and torture, not nearly enough. The posed pictures that's not torture. Childish yes, but not torture. Dogs barking at prisoners, big deal my neighbor's rotty barks at me everyday I don't report him to the police for torture. Cold and sleep deprivation, no kidding U.S. troops are cold and deprived of sleep everyday we're not crying we're being tortured. Talk with some Viet Nam POWs about torture. I'm absolutly disgusted with anyone who would cry that we are being too tough on terrorists. There is no such thing as being too tough on terroists. If you're arrested for aiding or assisting terrorists you're an unlawful combatant and have no rights or protection under the Geneva Conventions or the Hague Conventions because you are an unlawful combatant. You've been detained by the military and you're subject to military and international law. The men and women manning the camps/prisons have displayed extroidinary restraint and for the few that have crossed the line they have been punished. Some have ruined careers, lives and felony convictions. What else would you like? We could behead them, but that would be torture. Here's a clue in case you weren't aware. The military is designed to kill. They are not peacekeepers, they are police officers, they are not feel good security. They are trained, organized and equipped to kill as efficiently as possible.
While I'm ranting I'm sick and tired of hearing about knuckleheads going to a war zone, getting kidnapped and then crying that not enough is being done to protect or rescue them. Get a clue, it's a war zone and the military is not there as your body guard or to come rescue your dumbass after you get into trouble. If you don't have the skills, equipment and infrustructure to take care of yourself stay out of the war zone and let the military do what they were sent to do KILL TERRORISTS. We haven't beheaded any yet which is more than can be said for the terrorists.
If you have issues with the way things are being run, no problem you have a chance to change it with each election. If your guy doesn't win, work harder, smarter and maybe everyone you want into office will get elected then you can listen to four years of me pissing and moaning about what a lousy bunch of elected officials we have.


My appologies to the moderator for such a long rant, just thought it needed to be said.

 

[Rimrock]

President Bush decided to take the fight to our enemies instead of waiting for them to nail us again, there's something to be said for that. Nobody cared to keep Hitler in check and look what happened.

Last time I checked it was Saudi's not Iraqis who attacked us. You know those guys GWB hold hands with...literally!
The Iraq move is sure to go down in history as one of the biggest bonehead moves in modern history. GWHB 41 knew better but he read books and stuff! When you remove one of the worlds formidable dictatorships,( many installed by the USA), you destabilize or create a void which is almost always filled by something worse like civil war.The facts are this guy didn't know a Sunni from a moonie...a Kerd from a nerd and a shiite from ..ya know!
Most first year political science students know that...but he had to actually go to class and as we know "he" didn't. Here's a guy who doesn't read newspapers, hadn't been to Europe or anywhere else prior to "coronation" and we installed him as President. What is wrong with us?..... times 2

34% and falling like a hot rock!
This country would take the "old man" or Clinton back in a perverbial New York second!

Rimrock

 

[DonR101395]

"This country would take the "old man" or Clinton back in a perverbial New York second!"


Don't know what country you're in, but I can't find a single person who wants Clinton back in office........Bill or Hilary.

 

[joneb]

Out of the frying pan and into the fire " Rimrock " says, Or has GWB made a Iran sandwich ?

 

[Rimrock]

Posted By DonR101395

Don't know what country you're in, but I can't find a single person who wants Clinton back in office........Bill or Hilary.

I'm here in God fearin' America! Where a rich kid from Conn/Texas can skip school, skip military service, put on a toga have way too many brewskis and
get elected to the highest office in the world. It's all done with mirrors!

I hate to upset anyone here but the truth is that Bill and George 41 do more retired than Chimpy McFlightsuit has done in one term plus. You must have missed Mrs King's Funeral....Elvis was in the auditorium! WOW! Even the old man tried darn hard to relate. All Bongo could do was shadow figures on the wall! Sad! He lacks soul...almost detached.... a liitle like the mother...now there's a "old bush".
See, there's actually many folks whose net worth and general comfort level was considerably higher before "His Enema" took over.
I know the Clinton years were tough ...all that peace and prosperity! That darn surplus, that strong dollar, no inflation, "doncha" hate it when that happens?
It seems even though GWB's approval rating is in free fall to 34% the real "likeability" number is supposedly(NBC) 18%. Yikes! The dogcatcher's got 20%
People, for the first time, setting aside the blatant incompetence, just don't like the guy any longer! How do you have confidence in someone who states they want to "restore chaos", "putting food on your family", establishing prescriptions as an "engrenable" part of medicare.
to say nothing of making "the pie higher and growding the economy"
I just hope when he arrives in India he doesn't ask to be taken to the chief's tee pee!
An "alleged" mind is a terrible thing to waste!

Rimrock

 

[pipoman]

By Rimrock

Ask the folks on the South Coast (Katrina victims or as Laura Bush calls it "Corina") if GWB/KRove have the moral high ground.

No mention of the decades of Democrat control of this area? No mention of the misappropriation of levy funds by these Democrat regimes? As always no blame where blame is due.

Ask the population of Africa witnessing the slaughter of tens of thousands of the innocent daily while the "GWB Men" get comfy on the couch for Fox News and obsess over Iraqi "freedom"

Seems to me the genocide in Africa started during the Clinton terms. Then came Somalia, Clinton limp wristed it, took some casualties, ran away, and totally emboldened our enemies around the World. Keep bringing DU mis-information.

Ask the woman working under a phony "Made In USA" label thanks to crooked Republican politicians and lobbyists in slave conditions in Guam and Saipan who are forced into mandatory abortions when they become pregnant. Now there's some family values!

Did this just happen in the last 6 years? Didn't BC sign GATT? Didn't BC have 8 years to work on this problem?

Ask the thousands of children whose parents are maimed for life or worse lost to this "war" under false pretenses.

No false pretenses, killing/replacing the enemies of the US. If this is Nation Building, I Love IT. Ask the children when they are adults if the price for living in a free country was worth it. Freedom is never free.

Ask the private citizens who have been abused by his misguided spy caper and paranoia.

Who? Names? Details?

Ask the taxpayers who have been fleeced out of billions for nonsensical projects which benefit only the rich in the name of democracy. Ask the victims of Jack Abramoff or Hot Tub Tom Delay.

Who? Names? Details? Dems should probably be careful with the Abramoff stuff. Tom Delay....wait and see.

What about our gun rights? When will there ever be another total Republican control of the "whole nine" to enhance our gun status....Never? Yahtzee!....

They have been pretty busy undoing the damage done by the previous Admin. You can buy hi cap mags and "assault rifles" again against the cries and gnashing of teeth by your mentors.

Or would you compare any of the aforementioned to a bad "hummer" in the Oval Office by a puggie intern.

Maybe if Clinton wasn't spending so much time soiling dresses then trying to hide from his wife...he could have fixed all the problems which this administration inherited.

The Iraq move is sure to go down in history as one of the biggest bonehead moves in modern history.

Wishful thinking...we'll wait and see. I think the Somalia move will actually go down in history of the biggest military blunder in centuries.

GWHB 41 knew better but he read books and stuff!

Iraq would have been liberated at the time of Gulf War 1 if it were not for Dem pressure...big mistake. In fact wasn't the terms of the cease fire agreement between US and Saddam violated like 10 times prior to the US enforcing these terms. Didn't Clinton say unseating Saddam was inevitable if he continues to disregard UN resolutions?

You must have missed Mrs King's Funeral....Elvis was in the auditorium!

Nope, didn't miss that or the Wellstone funeral...now that was class.

I know the Clinton years were tough ...all that peace and prosperity!

A paper castle built on lax accounting practices, perceived peace, ignoring problems, all while humming a happy tune.

It seems even though GWB's approval rating is in free fall to 34% the real "likeability" number is supposedly(NBC) 18%. Yikes! The dogcatcher's got 20%
People, for the first time, setting aside the blatant incompetence, just don't like the guy any longer! How do you have confidence in someone who states they want to "restore chaos", "putting food on your family", establishing prescriptions as an "engrenable" part of medicare.
to say nothing of making "the pie higher and growding the economy"

You don't seem to understand, sometimes the right thing is not the popular thing. This administration has never bent to the polls, even prior to the election. BC's high approval ratings when he left office did his party a lot of good didn't it?

Keep trying....ignorance is on your side.

 

[brickeyee]

"The Declaration of Independence paragraphs 3 and 4 for the other treaties. "

The D of I is not part of the governing laws of the United States.
It was superceded first by the Articles of Confederation, and then by the Constitution.
Sounds like a history review is in order here.

 

[DonR101395]

Rimrock

"I'm here in God fearin' America! Where a rich kid from Conn/Texas can skip school, skip military service, put on a toga have way too many brewskis and
get elected to the highest office in the world. It's all done with mirrors!"

Do you really want to talk about military service in a discussion where Bill Clinton's name is brought up? Wasn't he touring Russia and Europe during Viet Nam?

"I hate to upset anyone here but the truth is that Bill and George 41 do more retired than Chimpy McFlightsuit has done in one term plus. You must have missed Mrs King's Funeral....Elvis was in the auditorium! WOW! Even the old man tried darn hard to relate. All Bongo could do was shadow figures on the wall! Sad! He lacks soul...almost detached.... a liitle like the mother...now there's a "old bush"."

All I've seen Slick Willy do is go to a foreign country and bad mouth the U.S. If that is doing more I would appreciate him just retiring to play golf and eat McDonald's.

"See, there's actually many folks whose net worth and general comfort level was considerably higher before "His Enema" took over.
I know the Clinton years were tough ...all that peace and prosperity! That darn surplus, that strong dollar, no inflation, "doncha" hate it when that happens?"

Guess they must be doing something wrong. I have more money in the bank and bought more firearms in the six years GWB has been in office than the entire eight Slick was in office.

"It seems even though GWB's approval rating is in free fall to 34% the real "likeability" number is supposedly(NBC) 18%. Yikes! The dogcatcher's got 20%
People, for the first time, setting aside the blatant incompetence, just don't like the guy any longer! How do you have confidence in someone who states they want to "restore chaos", "putting food on your family", establishing prescriptions as an "engrenable" part of medicare.
to say nothing of making "the pie higher and growding the economy"
I just hope when he arrives in India he doesn't ask to be taken to the chief's tee pee!"

He had some slips of the tongue, but at least none of them were on an intern. Can Slick Willy say the same?

An "alleged" mind is a terrible thing to waste!

You're correct, so is an alleged knowledge of how to run a country and a war simultaniously. Bill didn't/doesn't have a clue how to do it, the same goes for Jimmy Carter. They should stick to what they know. If they did that Slick Willy would be fondling his secretary and Jimmy Carter......what was it he was go at? Oh yea, nothing he was one of the worst if not the worst presidents this country has had.