Who needs guns out in public? I know I don't.

I do keep aware of my surroundings and try to steer clear of trouble.
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Avoidance should be the main tenant of ones self defense method, at least in my opinion. Trouble is best avoided in the first place. If someone goes around looking for trouble, or if they can't wait for trouble to find them, they don't think like I do thats for sure.

There are some good threads in T&T about awareness. Most of us aren't as aware as we like to think we are. It takes a conscious effort to stay alert and aware, in the face of the distractions of everyday life.
 
Knifes are scary and dangerous, a two inch blade with a rounded point is all anyone needs. Even long pointy kitchen knives should be banned. They serve no purpose and are only used to kill and maim by dangerous criminals. They are...wait for it... assault knifes!

No, seriously, at least in jolly old England.

Doctors' kitchen knives ban call

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

You see, when firearms are unavailable to common criminals, they use knifes, impact weapons, brute force, etc

So the solution of those who suggested bans on guns, is naturally, bans on knifes. We must child proof the world. How many kids have to be knifed, before we do something? Think of the children.
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@Nate

Yeah exactly, things carried out to their absurd extreme are always a "Facepalm" type of moment.

You're point about knives is exactly right and the kind of thinking that tons of non-weapon folks, who get frightened by everything, would like to do to our rights.

Our greatest enemies are mislabeled, it's not a "Gun Owners vs Non-Gun Owners" or even "knife enthusiasts vs Non-knife carriers" but instead our enemy is two camps. Those two camps that we must protect our rights against are those who get Hysterical and those who don't think things through.

When you're right you're right and the laws in England have gone completely wacky. You can't carry any knife that locks, so that means that every Buck 110 or Kershaw or even generic knives. Secondly, God help you if you're caught in England with a blade larger than 1-3/4 inch blade.

Ironically when you made your point about the insanity in England I suddenly realized that clipped to the inside of my pocket was my Spyderco UK Pen-knife. I carry it fairly often because 1. It's a Spyderco and is made of really good steel. 2. It's a really good knife over all. 3. I get Spyderco quality but at a price that wouldn't break my heart if I lost it somewhere.

Trust me, I'd be in tears if I lost my Spyderco Paramilitary 2.

Like I said, I agree 100% with your original post and your post about knives because you make some extremely valid points, in a roundabout way, about the insanity of some of the laws that get passed based on emotion and knee-jerk reactions.

I've heard on several news channels that the NRA is hoping to draw out the debate about gun control because "people forget the tragedy and move on." But that's not the case at all & in this regard I agree 100% with the NRA tactic. What drawing out the debate really does is not cause people to "forget" but it allows peoples emotions to settle a bit to where most of them come to their senses and realize that they were simply reacting based on emotion instead of facts.

I know that some may be surprised that I'm speaking kindly about the NRA but I'm not against the NRA. I'm actually a member of the NRA. What I did was decry some of the methods of the NRA that I thought made them look bad, by extension making us look bad, but also because they were being hypocritical and the whole world had already noticed.

Anyway, I'm loving this thread and thank you for starting it.
 
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Nate with PM9, looks scarier than combat knife Nate above does, to me at any rate. I know he feels a lot more like he's practicing SD, with his PM9 than a combat knife. I was never sure how I would explain eviscerating some poor soul. I always figured if it was a dire enough situation, where I had to do it, I'd explain later.

Its hard to intimidate some people, but if not fear, most reasonably sane people have a healthy respect for firearms. Just the display of a handgun, often ends a criminal encounter. I know for certain, from personal experience, that a handgun has saved me from having to use much more extreme measures to protect myself and the best part was, no one got hurt.

Which isn't to say firearms should be used, or relied on for intimidation. If you pull one out and point it at another human being, you better have a damn good reason and be fully and totally committed to firing till the threat was over.

If Tamara for instance, well she's a bad example, she'd sneer and ask me if I wanted an airplane spin, or a body slam.:) If based Nate9x19 my evil twin, jumped out with a combat knife, Kathy Jackson would draw her CCW weapon and probably not say anything, till she gave a brief statement when the police and the coroner got there.

PS: JK about Tamara, she'd shoot the stuffing out of evil Nate9x19 too.
 
nate i tried to set up this scenario in a post a week ago using myself like you did but most of these guys a to litteral minded to understand we are trying to demonstrate why everyone should be armed and not just saying we are billybobbadass. some of these guy are dense and have no imagination, but just so you know i totaly agree with you :D
 
I am an LEO that works inside a prison. My only defense's at work are pepper spray, A radio and hand to hand moves. And since I am only 5'4" I don't fight fair at all.

You can bet that when I am outside of work I am packing.
 
Why wouldn't you?!

You're not hurting anybody by carrying....except possibly those who threaten your life.
 
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hey Nate45,
I'm 54 and I have lots of pain, can't run to fast anymore and I'm not very big either. For the reasons stated and for the sake of my wife I carry a gun. Even with a pistol I still keep, my eyes open and on the lookout for problems and things that just don't look right. I prefer to avoid any and all interaction with the criminal element but I can't be 100%, I carry for that one time that I may miss something.
 
I like the wit in your post Nate, flew right over quite a few posters' heads (neeeowww :p).

I'll admit I haven't read the whole thread, just the OP and the first page and a half and some others so if I'm reiterating a point already brought up forgive me. I too am pretty physically fit, not quite as well versed in H2H as yourself but I wrestled 4 years in high school and continue to practice MMA infrequently and informally with my uncle who owns a gym. At 23yo, 5'6" and 150lbs I may be on the small side but I'm confident enough that I can handle just one unarmed assailant without the aid of a weapon. Two not so much, what say you?
 
While I believe every grown man has the obligation to carry a handgun whenever away from home ,for defense of his family if not for himself, I also believe that openly carrying a handgun thats visible to the public is not a good idea.

One has a certain obligation to his fellow citizens, and not freaking out the most timid among them is one obligation.
Also not being a visible reminder of just how far civilization has slumped in recent years when they are just out trying to have a good time is only polite.

Theres no law against carrying a chainsaw from place to place, but walking around with a chainsaw at the ready, or a doublebitted axe on your shoulder is not recommended for family restaurants and movie theatres. Unless you are going to a costume optional midnight showing of Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
 
But you're a healthy fit man who is capable of beating up old people, women and children, right? And maybe even people with disabilities. ;)

Smart people carry a gun because, just maybe, they might need one from time to time. I know that I have no desire to wrestle a rabid dog - canine or human - and I'm 6' and 200 pounds.

John
 
I would not buy a droid from that Jawa with the gun.
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I thought the exact same thing when I took that pic, that I looked like a Jawa at least. Or maybe inside the hood of the grim reaper. Its an effective disguise, throw on my black Aris Gloves and I'd like to read the witness descriptions. :)
 
Years ago, in Tuscon, I had a Navy buddy, . . . we'd go "home" on the weekend sometimes.

He introduced me to an Air Force guy, . . . Red was his name, about 5'6".

He had H2H trophies that were taller than he was.

He taught AF pilots destined for VietNam, . . . H2H stuff.

H2H didn't do him any good one night when some big dude decided to clean Red's clock, . . . with a Smith & Wesson, .38 special. He hit him 5 times out of 6 from bad breath distance.

Fortunately, . . . he used solid, hard bullets, . . . they basically punched 38 caliber holes through his body and exited. Red was in the hospital for several weeks.

H2H is good, . . . no doubt, . . . but a hand will never be a shield against a .38

May God bless,
Dwight
 
Thats right Dwight55, the whole point of the thread was that firearms, in the hands of the law-abiding are the best defense and deterrent against criminals.

For those not aware, the title and initial OP were mainly to attract the attention of anti-gun people and make them think. Starting a thread about how "CCW laws protect the most vulnerable among us the most", or what have you, would probably not get much notice.

Sadly, we live in a violent world, with a certain percentage of mean, violent and often mentally unstable people. The firearm is the most effective tool we have to combat that element.

The "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns" saying is more than a cliche. Most violent felons aren't the least bit concerned with firearms laws. If there were no guns whatsoever, it would be all the better for most of them. Its easy to prey on defenseless victims.

In fact, with out looking it up, I'm almost certain, that in interviews with violent felons, armed victims is one of the things the fear most.
 
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