Who needs guns out in public? I know I don't.

I don't sit at home fearing for my life. What next..you're going to tell me I need to carry..incase I get trapped in a high-rise with hostages and a group of German terrorists?
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It is none of our business whether you carry or not -- or even own a gun. I for one don't care. I'd just like the same courtesy.
 
In a world without guns I did not need one before I hurt my back at the age of 27 when I was 230lbs and could bench press at least a Ford Pinto.

Now That I am much older and in even more pain then I was last year I could not fight off a person half my size that is in the mood to hurt me.

I live in Illinois so I can't protect myself in public but, I sure wish I could if needed. I can and will protect myself and family at home though.
 
Nate, I like Ghost, got the point of your post.

The point is that guns make nobody a victim of those who are stronger, younger, and angrier. They only make victims out of those without other guns. We have evolved as a race to the point that brute strength and build mean nothing when the opponent has a firearm. Now, some may think that is bad.

I say, if my mom can theoretically defend herself with the same efficiency as a UFC fighter, then my society is ethical.
 
Nate45 - you won't always be at the physical capability you are at right now. You will get older, you will get weaker, you will get slower. Maybe you'll get an illness or injury. Life happens. You can't stop it.

You'll probably go through your whole life and never need a gun. But you might.

There will come a time when you think differently.
 
Whats with all the recent threads that have people talking about how tough they are and how it would take more than a few average Joe's to take them down?

I promise you going around saying "only a gun could stop me" is not helping the cause, and is in no way strengthening the augment for our 2nd Amendment rights. To be honest, when I see threads like this, I feel like you are playing into enemies hands.

I believe God made man, but Colt made them even is a saying that still holds true to this day; however, making an argument saying we need guns because "I walk around and I am too much for you or Joe Average to handle." is asinine.

Now, I am not saying you meant to come off as boasting; but, we need to transmit our augments and statements in a more elegant manner.
 
"I walk around and I am too much for you or Joe Average to handle." is asinine.
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Which wasn't my point at all. Take me out of the equation. It matters not if I'm really fairly fit, or a calorically challenged man with a hover round. What matters is(in my opinion at least, I could be way off), is that most of the people who fear firearms, aren't going to be any safer without them. The anti fantasy of no guns in the USA, is never going to happen at this late date, most all thinking people from all sides realize that. I was just offering up a very real vision of how things would be with no firearms. England, for instance has very low gun crime, google knife crime in England. They may be safer from the exceedingly rare event of a school shooting, but it didn't help much out on the street.

Perhaps instead of thinking up different analogies, or hypotheticals, or any other defense of firearms in any way, pro-RKBA people should just let the antis explain how their ideas will make us safer.

If they say ban greater than ten round capacity magazines, make them explain how it helps. When they laugh at ideas for security, make them explain their plan. It sure has been easy for them to scoff at everything instead of offering up viable alternatives.

What is their plan? Besides shouting gunshow loophole, or 100 round clip? What's their plan for stopping a shooter, knifer, or whatever? I don't believe I've heard it yet. All I've heard is slogans, platitudes and appeals to emotion.

It seems many of the anti-RKBA members of the government and media's personal plan, is send their kids to private secure schools, live in secure buildings and gated communities, with armed guards. Now how does that help the rest of us?

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Chinese man drives car into students, injuring 13

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/world/ar...tudents-injuring-13-4144574.php#ixzz2G9lUbpWE

I just came across the story above. How do we stop the next Lanza from driving a car over some pre-schoolers? I no for certain I don't know.
 
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I am on the downside of the hill for age:o. I do run 3 half ( heavy on the half) Marithons a year,but i can't run faster than a bullet. All things being even(which they never are ) If it came to a foot race or endurance i could run till the bad guys got tired and gave up,but that bullet thing is hard to beat. The gun is the equalizer for the weak.
 
Right, if I'm unarmed, hiding or running is all I can do either, in the face of small arms fire. Maybe some one else can take knifes and guns away from people like in the movies, but I can't. Sure there are certain ways to get a firearm, or other weapon away from someone with your bare hands, but they usually only work on slow, ineffectual opponents. With most any opponent though, if they're armed and you're not, you stand a good chance of being grievously injured. Thats why the police usually call for back up and use tasers, and large groups of armed personnel for armed confrontations.

Most people I know, that know how to fight, could most likely beat the toughest guy around, if they used a knife, club, etc on them. When I'm at the scene of the big event and I'm armed with nothing, or a knife, pepper spray, etc I'll be looking for ways to escape and evade. If I had a handgun on me, I still would be looking for ways to escape, protect friends family, etc, but I might, might be able to, stop the offender maybe. Just being armed with a handgun is certainly no guarantee, I don't have any hero fantasies, or illusions in that regard, but I sure would like the option to shoot if I was cornered with nothing left to do but face the problem or die.
 
You are a fool if you think that being young, mobile, strong and trained in martial arts gives you immunity from criminals. To paraphrase Samuel Colt, men are not equal but the Colt revolver can make one equal. Sometimes I think that those who are confident of their physical abilities are even more vulnerable to the skinny druggy with a gun in his hand. I'm old now, heavier than I know I should be, with artificial knees, missing half a lung, and a history of heart disease, so I KNOW I need a gun to defend myself. But as was once said, don't pick a fight with an old man because he will not fight you, he will kill you.
 
Again, to all those who say, what if you were old, or weren't in good shape, or the person is tougher than you, or has a gun, etc. Thank you for helping make my point.

This is the internet, so here I go again, at the risk of sounding unbelievable.

I have a friend who is very large. One time sparring in the ring, I hit him with my best right hook to the ribs. It knocked the wind out of him, he said good one and hit my left glove so hard that it hit me in the bridge of the nose and made me see stars, it wasn't full power either. He can grab the back of my belt with his right hand and my collar with his left and hold me straight out in front of him with my feet 2' off the ground. It would be very hard for me to stop him with a handgun and I have 30+ years of practice.

Not a lot of people like that in the world, but they're out there.
 
I had some dern big strong cops on my department, had some martial art guys too. One who had a MA school, been teaching some sort of MA for 30 years.

Everyone, I don't care how big and tough you are can get your butt kicked.

I'm not that big, I don't know anything about MA, I'm 65 years old with COPD and a chest full of stints, but it comes to fisticuffs, I can normally walk away.

Ever heard the old saying, 'DON'T TAKE A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT", well it works for fisticuffs too, "Don't take a karate chop to a gun fight".

Its nice if you can avoid physical confrontations without using deadly force, but a simple scan of the newspapers shows that isn't always possible.

I'll probably never need my revolver for self defense against bad guys, I'll probably never need my seat belts, or my smoke detectors either, but I ain't giving up either.

Remember Thomas Jefferson's idea of exercise.

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent to the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun be your constant companion of your walks.

Thomas Jefferson Letter to Peter Carr 1785.
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To the general audience, no one in particular.

I said in the OP, that I was "the exact height and weight of a current NFL running back." If one looks up the the smallest current running back and the tallest, its very possible that I am in fact medium size, which I am. I only weigh 175, but I'm not fat. The ex-con that can bench press a Buick, was a literary device.

I wanted to put that in, before Gorrila Monsoon comes over and twists me into a pretzel. :p
 
Nate, I understand and agree with your original point. You must remember that many will stop reading after the first sentence or two. Some who have replied may not have made it past the title by the looks.

You would think that feminist groups would be in the forefront of advocating the right to carry as well as groups like the AARP.
 
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