Which one???

New Purchase

So my father and I were at the local gun show this past weekend and found a Rem. for $339 new. I jumped on it because it was a .308 and Wal-Mart was selling them for $387 and figured I probably would have a hard time finding it cheaper. Next question will be what are good bases, rings and a scope for the type of shooting I describe earlier? Keep in mind I am on a budget so the cheaper the better while still good quality. I called Redfield/Leupold and they recommended the following:

Redfield Revenge part# 117853 3-9 x 42mm DNS $200
Redfield Revolution part# 118348 3-9 x 40mm Tact MOA Reticle (not shown on website yet.

Leupold VX2 4-12 x 40mm Adj. Obj. CDS
Leupold VX3 4.5-12 x 40mm (or 50mm) CDS

Leupold Base part # 55742 $30
Leupold Med. High rings part# 49901 $30

*Prices are approx. off of either Gander Mnt. or Bass Pro websites
* the RF Rev. scope is a new model that I think will be available this Feb.

Also, considering a Nikon Prostaff or equivalent to the previous 2 brands only because my buddy has one on his Rem 700 SPS and it seemed pretty clear.
 
So I'm guessing you bought the M783 Remington?

I wouldn't buy a Redfield Revenge or the Prostaff scope, if you have $200 to spend go to SWFA "The Sample List" or cameralandny.com and look for some demo/used optics. In fact The Sample List has a 3-10X40 Weaver Grand Slam that will be a far superior scope than the Revenge or Prostaff for $199.00. Or if you have to have brand new then a Burris Fullfield II 3-9X40 for $198.95 is going to be better than a Revenge or Prostaff as well.

I'm a Leupold guy, and there's nothing wrong with you calling them and asking for their opinion. However, they're only going to recommend what they sell, but if I can't get into something new of the quality of a VX2, Buckmaster, or Elite I usually don't waste my time, and start looking used. You can do far cheaper than the Leupold rings and bases as well, and still have a good set up. Any base that fits a Savage 10/110 round receiver will work on your 783 as well. I'd go with a mount system rather than a ring and base combo like you listed, check out the ones I linked for a $20 savings:

DNZ Hunt Master 1" scope mounts $39.95
Talley LWT 1" scope mounts $39.95

Good luck and happy shooting!
 
Quick question, The mounts I listed were $30x2 each = approx. $60 (bass pro) The mounts you gave were $40 each (x2) =$80 correct? What about the Revolution series from Redfield? I couldn't get swfa.com link to load???? They gave me a part # for the Buckmaster also if needed. They (Redfield) said with the Revolution I listed, there wasn't much difference it and either the VX2 or VX3 ( cannot remember which model) until you get into lower light situations because they are using Leupold glass???
 
The Revolution isn't bad, but when it comes to scopes, I would find the best one you can get with your money and then spend more and don't eat for a week. The VX-2 is a sure step up from a Revolution, but I think there's better values. That Weaver Grand-Slam 'taylorce1' posted would be a great option. If you could find a way to get into a Vortex Viper 3.5-10x50 for about $180 more than your budget, you would be set for a long time.


OP: Those mounts come as a set. $40/pair.
 
Those are complete ring mount set for $40, buy either one and you can mount a scope. With the base and ring sets you quoted earlier you have to buy the base and rings separately and they'll cost you $60 to mount a scope.

I own a couple of Redfield Revolution scopes and they aren't bad for the money I spent. I was paying around $125 for the 2-7, $150 for a 3-9, and $200 for the 4-12, and I tried them all I still own a 2-7 and 4-12. When I bought them they were the price the Revenge scopes sell for now. I'd put the Redfield's I own on par with the old VX-I or Rifleman scopes optically but with better adjustments for elevation and windage.

Since Leupold upgraded all of the VX lineup last year I feel they are a better value for the money. One thing we know about Redfield is that they are manufactured by Leupold. The thing we don't know is if they use the same lens coatings as the VX1 line up, they are calling it a different name illuminator coatings vs. multicoat 4. So I'm guessing that lens coatings are a little different, and comparing my daughters new VX1 to my Revolution scopes I'd say it isn't the same coating. Plus you'll only spend about $20 more to get an actual Leupold VX1 vs. Revolution until you get to the 4-12 power range.

I'm not saying the Redfield won't be a serviceable scope but I think there are better options to get a better scope for the same money. I'm sorry the link didn't work for you but you can whip out some google-fu and find it without too much trouble. ;)
 
Scopes

I hear you guys and I really appreciate the input! Any info is appreciated especially since this is my first bolt gun and scope. Please explain why the scopes you provided would be a better buy than the Redfield? Again, I am new to this kind of shooting. Just a reminder the type of shooting I plan on doing is recreation (just for fun) long range shooting, from 200 yds-1,000 yds , and since I am on a budget I'm looking for the most bang for the buck. I do know it will take a lot of time, ammo, and practice to reach the 1k yds mark. Don't hold back on any details because the last thing I want to do is buy a scope just to find out that there is a better scope for my type of shooting. Keep in mind the revolution I am considering is more of a tactical style. Also, the two scopes that Taylor provided would those ridicules be good for my kind of shooting?

Let me know what you guys think of this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM9mx711OwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nme4v9am6FI
 
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What you get with the scopes I listed are better lens coatings, that in turn means less light distortion , sharper and clearer image, and they're a more durable scope. The next problem is your wanting to shoot a possible 1K yards, 1" tube scopes can't get there without some help. You'll need a canted base of some sort to get the elevation necessary to reach 1K with a .308 Win.

Then there's the problem of repeatable adjustments to your windage and elevation turrets, and I'm not sure the Burris or Weaver would be repeatable enough either. In my experience though the Redfield Revolution scopes are pretty much a set the zero and leave it scope. The turrets are kind of mushy feeling compared to other scopes I own, whereas the Weaver and Burris scopes have a more positive feel than the Redfield.
 
taylorce1 said:
What you get with the scopes I listed are better lens coatings, that in turn means less light distortion , sharper and clearer image, and they're a more durable scope. The next problem is your wanting to shoot a possible 1K yards, 1" tube scopes can't get there without some help. You'll need a canted base of some sort to get the elevation necessary to reach 1K with a .308 Win.

Then there's the problem of repeatable adjustments to your windage and elevation turrets, and I'm not sure the Burris or Weaver would be repeatable enough either. In my experience though the Redfield Revolution scopes are pretty much a set the zero and leave it scope. The turrets are kind of mushy feeling compared to other scopes I own, whereas the Weaver and Burris scopes have a more positive feel than the Redfield.
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That Grand Slam should track well, but there's always a chance it won't. That's the only one mentioned that has a good chance of repeatable adjustments, IMO.
 
Don't know much about tactical scopes. But have been told by a couple of gun store proprietors. When buying a new rifle. Its owner should spend a equal amount towards its scope and mountings. I have encountered a fellow now and then that showed excellent taste's in his choice of new rifles. But a few surely lacked the ability to scope theirs decently. 5-600.00 rifle with a 40-50 dollar bargain 3rd World scope held in place with the cheapest rings available. Well at the very least I'll expect to hear comments like "I can't hit anything near sunset with it." Oh well. Come take a look down this old 270 I carry thru its Leupold VX-3 and see if you notice a difference between yours and mine. "Works every time." BTW buy the Savage.
 
With 1000 yd shooting in the plans you need to up your budget quite a bit if you want any kind of repeatable accuracy at that range. I would be looking at the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44 or x50 at a minimum. The vipers start around $430 for the model mentioned. A mil-dot reticle will also make it easier at longer ranges.
Even higher in the budget but better glass is the Vortex Viper PST and Vortex Razor scopes.
All of the Viper and razor scopes will track well and have repeatable tracking for range doping. Wind doping is done with a combination of the turrets and the reticle, hence the suggestion of getting a mildot reticle or some other long range reticle.

Vortex has the best warranty in the business and the customer service to back it up should you ever need to use it.
 
Would it be a bad idea to get a cheaper scope like the grand slam or the revolution to start off with and then once I master approx. 500 yds or the limit of that scope and then move up to a more quality scope? Could the Rem 783 keep up with any of these scopes mentioned? What would be a fair distance the 783 could shoot (torso sized target) accurately? I know it won't be as accurate as some the savage or a rem 700. These were the bases I was thinking about. Let me know what you guys think.

http://www.basspro.com/Leupold-Standard-(STD)-Mount-Bases/product/20060/

Rings
http://www.basspro.com/Leupold-Standard-(STD-)-Scope-Rings/product/11607/?cmCat=CROSSSELL_PRODUCT
 
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As others have said, the cheaper scope will not have repeatable adjustments. Continuous adjustments are needed for shooting at longer ranges. You want to be able to dial up to a 500 yard target, dial back down to your zero range and expect the POA to match the POI. In order to gain the skills needed to shoot at longer distances, you need a scope that can do this reliably. Else you are basically having to re-sight in your rifle every time you change distances.

I would save a little longer and get a Leupold or Vortex Viper to begin with. When you start shooting at 1,000, you will want to upgrade again.

Buy once, cry once.
 
If you want to long range shoot on a budget, buy a Super Sniper 10X rifle scope. 10X is plenty of magnification to get you to 1K yards if all you're going to do is ring gongs with it. The scope isn't going to cost you a fortune either.

Now my other suggestion is stop looking at Leupold standard rings and bases. If you want to buy Leupold buy the dual dovetail, weaver style, or tactical rings and bases. I use Leupold standard rings and bases on a few rifles and they're okay, but I have had the windage screws work loose on one of them before. Those Talley and DNZ mounts I referenced take extra parts out of the equation, and if installed properly should never work loose.
 
Are weaver mounts still good? How does the Super Sniper scope compare to the other scopes that has been mentioned? (Burris, Weaver, Minox) is it a fixed magnification? What model Leupold do you recommend Precision Shooter? How does that compare to the viper? Just curious is the 783 capable of 1k yards? Which would be better the Talley or DNZ? Or are the equivalent to each other?
 
I use a weaver picatinny rail with Warne steel rings on my current Savage model 10 and have used Weaver bases in the past with not a single problem.

Talley and DNZ are equal to each other.

Leupold VX2 or higher model.
I personally recommend the Vortex Viper as you get more features for your money. 30mm tube, good glass, larger finger adjustable turrets...

It remains to be seen whether the 783 will be a capable 600-1,000yd gun. The 783 is Remington's equivilant of the Savage Axis and there is at least 1 board member here who uses his Axis in F Class long range competition.
 
Who makes the Super Sniper scope? Out all the scopes mentioned what do you guys think would be the best choice for my application? Are there more complex scopes when using than others? Like I said I'm new to this kind of shooting and basically be starting from scratch.
 
Super Sniper scopes are made for SWFA by Tasco. They are built to military specifications and have a reputation of being bullet proof, and the adjustments are known to be repeatable. They aren't a Nightforce or S&B but they don't start out costing $2000+, so they aren't the top end optics but they are serviceable.

Without a 30mm scope you won't have enough elevation adjustment to get to 1K yards with a .308 Win. You can get there with a 1" scope but you'll have to find a 20 MOA base, but I don't know of any made for the M783 yet. There are few two piece bases that offer 20 MOA cant that will probably work for the M783, but I don't know about any 1 piece yet.

However, all that said you didn't buy a rifle that is going to be easy to get to 1K in it's factory configuration. I'm not saying it won't get there but your quest isn't going to be easy. However, you'll be able to spend money to either improve your rifle and optics or replace them later on.

I use Leupold, Weaver, and Vortex for my long range optics. The Vortex Viper 6.5-20X44 I purchased used, and was the least expensive of all my optics. It has some features that are nice but the optics aren't any better than my Weaver scope and not quite on par with my VX3 scopes. I don't get to shoo 1K as much as I'd like, just because I don't have access to a 1K range without driving several miles. I do ring steel on a somewhat regular basis from 100 to 600 yards and almost any decent quality scope will work at those ranges.
 
What do think of this setup? This scope (link below), with the Talley mount system you provided? I think I might like how the Talley has two screws for the rings. Assuming that it will fit this scope. These mounts bolt directly onto to the receiver correct? According to Remington's web sight The 783 uses two Rem 700 front mounts bases. Are the Savage 10/110 mounts the same thing? Just trying to clarify everything. Will 1" rings fit a 30mm scope tube? Basically will everything in this setup fit/work together or no?

http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-12x42-Tactical-Riflescope-P53714.aspx
 
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If I'm looking at that correctly(it's late, search skills diminished), that's a fixed power scope? Personally, I prefer variable power, but that's just me. I can't speak with experience to the brand, but everything on the spec sheet appears correct.
 
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