Which assault rifle?

The AK 74-------------5.45x39

I have a Buddy that bought one of these and about 2500 rounds of Silver Bear match Ammo,scope mount and scope for about a grand. With the 10 shot clip in shooting off the bag, we get 3" groups at 300 yds. The big 30 shot clips make it harder to bench shoot it.

The Afghans called it the poison bullet. It tumbles in the body and causes lotsa damage. If you want it for Home protection---and insurrection protection I would look into it.

Russia is using the AK 74 as their main Issue as they phase out the AK 47.
 
Own AK's,AR's,M1A1,and several FAL's.They each have their niche,AR's and M1A1 i shoot in hi-power matches.Ak's are great just to take out and plink.But i think if limited to just one it would be a FAL.It's one of those rifle's that just feels good,has acceptable combat accuracy,and it looks bad a**.
 
I have a Yugo underfolder AK47 M70AB2 and it's awesome. I have a 4 MOA red dot on it and can easily get 4 MOA accuracy out of the rifle. It shoot my AK as well as my SKS (with a scope mounted). If you don't plan on shooting beyond 200 meters, the AK is a great rifle. Cheap gun, cheap ammo, ultra reliable, and easy to maintain. I have an AR and it has none of those qualities...
 
When replying DieselNuts post I suggested that he get a quality 7.62 AKM,
some quality mags and enhance and modernize the rifle to meet his needs.
I did this with a 7.62 x 39 Norinco and couldn't be happier with the results.

That said, and all things considered, the rugged, highly accurate M14 7.62
battle rifle in carbine form is, in my opinion, the all around best choice.

CQB-16

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The 18.0" Bush, Scout and MK14s may be even better especially in bullpup form.
This one is a work in progress :)

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I thought any rifle with a pistol grip was an assault rifle. Therefore, a M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle, which had no pistol grip (or bipod) was not an assault rifle, even though it was designed to be exactly that. It wasn't black, either.

I might point out that there is no legal definition of home invasion, either. These are all left-wing media terms, but they're also used by the right-wing media, too. The German name translates as "storm rifle" but you can translate any way you please. If I wear knee high jack boots, does that make me an assault trooper or a storm trooper?
 
Its all semantics and how important the argument is to you and how nit picky you want to get. :)

I always looked at it that "anything" used to assault you or you used to assault with, was technically an assault weapon, just like any rifle you do battle with, is your "battle" rifle.

Its all really just silliness if you think about it, and just something else to argue about on the internet. Usually thread drift sets in and the original argument gets lost. (wait now....!!, its already begun! :D)

Now, to carry it over to the German translation. Sturmgewehr does translate to "assault" rifle. "Sturm" can mean more than just "storm".

As well as storm, it can have the following meanings or uses....

assault
gale
tempest
attack
rush
squall
thunder
gust
forward line
turbulence
welter
volley

If you dont understand German, and if someone said,"Ich bin einem Arschloch" means assault weapon, and be sure to tell everyone the correct translation, there proably will be an assault in there somewhere at some point. :)

A nods as good as a wink to a dead horse. ;)
 
Thanks for the welcome and apologies for using the wrong terminology. Guess I'm more of a newb than I thought.

Nah....just a victim of the media and anti-gun lobby. But no longer!

Welcome to the forum!

I personally prefer the AR which is modular and easier to modify to suit my needs than AK-style rifles.
 
Based primarily on the features of the German Sturmgewehr, the commonly accepted definition of "assault rifle" in the military and shooting community was;

Select fire, magazine fed, intermediate power cartridge (based on common WWII standards, more powerful than a handgun round, yet less than the standard infantry rifle round - .30-0-6/8mm Mauser/7.62x54R, etc). Other features common to, but not making the rifle an assault rifle by themselves were (relatively) straight line stock, and pistol grip.

Beginning the late 80s (originating after the 1986 Stockton CA schoolyard shooting rampage) the media and various gun control groups began focusing on weapons of military appearance, particularly the AK 47 (semi auto version) and expanding to cover all "look alike" rifles. They tried calling them "semi-automatic assault rifles", but this proved to be too cumbersome a sound bite.

So they created the term "assault weapon" and used it to refer to rifles, handguns and shotguns with military appearance. By 1994, with the "Assault Weapon Ban" law, they got a definition codified in law. That defintion covered semiautomatic firearms, with certain combinations of cosmetic features, including detatchable magazine, pistol grip, bayonet lug, flash hider/suppressor, and others. Some states copied the 94 AWB, without the sunset clause, and some have even expanded on its definitions.

Note that no actual assault rifles (legally machine guns, and already covered under the 1934 NFA) were affected by the 94 AWB, or any of its state clones.

Indescriminate use of the two terms since those days has left most ordinary folks ignorant of the correct defintions. So most people just repeat what others say. Dictionary references are not a good source for correct defintions of technical details, as they are concerned with the defintions found in common use (and not whether the common useage is correct or not), and clearly say so in the prefaces of most dictionaries.

Translating from a foreign language is ALWAYS open to some interpretation. Sturmgeweher is usually translated as assault rifle. Sturngeschuetz (a turretless armored vehicle) is translated as assault gun. In these cases, the English word assault refers to a military assault, such as assaulting an objective, not the common legal defintion of one person harming/attacking another.

Interestingly, Sturmvoegel (one of the nicknames for the WWII German jet fighter) is usually translated as "Storm Bird", and not "Assault Bird".
Nicht wahr?
 
Well I got a chance to shoot a modified AR lastnight. I really liked the lack of recoil the gun has. Follow up shots are very easy to get on target. Having never shot an AK, I can only assume it kicks harder than the AR.

What exactly is the difference between an AK-47 and an AK-74?
 
What exactly is the difference between an AK-47 and an AK-74?

Basically it comes down to caliber. Without getting into a long winded explaination to the history of AKs.

The 47 is 7.62x39mm
The 74 is 5.45x39mm
 
I really recommend that you find someone with an AK that you can try out before buying. For some folks, like me, the AK simply does not set up well. If you liked your head position on the AR, then the AK is likely to feel odd by comparison. There's no way to know until you put one in your shoulder.
 
I LOVE both the AR and the AK. I own a few of each. I would never get rid of any of them, they both have their ups and downs so to speak. If i had to choose ONLY ONE in a crisis/survival situatuion I would have to go with the AK. It is pure power and rock solid dependability, and like someone else mentioned in this thread earlier with the ultimak and a good red dot sight you can have really good groups at ranges out to even 250yds. An AR might be a little more accurate, but if i had to kill something past 300yds and not just wound or severely wound it I would pull out my .308. Thats just my opinion.
 
If you dont have much money get an AK, which I did. I cannot see paying $1000 right now with my budget(in college) on a AR. I got an AK + a 22lr rifle under $700 lol:p


I say get the AR
 
If you liked your head position on the AR, then the AK is likely to feel odd by comparison.
Actually, they are basically the same, that being, head down and forward, nose to the charging handle on the AR's, or at, or alongside the top cover on the AK's.

Many people seem to think the AK's stock is to short, which its not, it has the exact LOP as an M16/M16A1, and most other "combat" stocked rifles. Your cheek weld should be on the narrow portion of the stock just behind the top cover, and not on top of the "comb", like many people try to do.
 
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