Which assault rifle?

Ah, that's a good point about mag interference with the front grip. Having never fired an AK, I was unaware of this.

As far as 6.8 ammo, how does it stack up to the 5.56 and 7.62 in terms of price and availability?
 
As far as 6.8 ammo, how does it stack up to the 5.56 and 7.62 in terms of price and availability?
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Well, I've seen it in some sporting goods stores such as Bass Pro Shops but not in any Wal-Mart's yet. I've bought all of my 6.8 via the internet at www.ssarmory.com, from what I've seen and heard this is the best 6.8 ammo going.
As far as price, its competitive with other popular commercial hunting ammunition.
 
Get a quality 7.62 AKM, some quality mags, enhance and modernize the rifle to meet your needs and you will be very happy.
 
The OP did say he was open to just about any suggestion.

It was asked "What's this new gun going to do?" and that remains to be answered. It's the most important question of all. That determines what caliber - because a range gun using a lot of ammo isn't a hunting gun that fires less than 100 a year. It goes to What range (distances,) What targets? If the target is paper 95% of the time that makes a huge difference.

If it looks confusing out there, get specific about what the gun should do, and then specify all the rest to support that. Caliber, barrel, type upper to mount an optic, furniture, free float, then trigger, in that order.

I built an AR to hunt, so: 6.8SPC, best performance for the AR under 400m. 16" barrel, already longer than the 14.5" it was designed for, mid length gas, an A3 upper with rail to mount optics, an A1 stock for the right length of pull, less expensive than an adjustable, which most leave on one setting anyway, a TD grip, about the right size, rifle length handguards to cover a cold or hot barrel in the field - and because a good barrel is more accurate and cheaper than a quad rail, which can only protect it, not improve it. Iron sight FSB, because stupid things happen to glass optics, and strangely enough, they don't use shatterproof glass. I finished it with a Black River Tactical brake that throws all the noise forward. The trigger - GI lower parts kit, with an adjustable overtravel screw. It has a short pull, and almost no grit, because it doesn't drag over all that extra travel.

I saved about $500 not buying a useless quad rail for a hunting gun, or a high dollar super light target trigger on a field gun that will get dropped, banged around, hoisted into trees, etc. Hunting is a 2MOA proposition, about a 10" circle at 500m, which is an uncommon long shot hunting whitetail in edge woodlands.

What's the gun going to do, pick the best caliber, the best barrel length for that range, and walk thru it. The gun will be the most optimum you can get for the job - and the money, not something chosen out of a warm fuzzy feeling totally unsuited for what's needed.

Gunbroker is full of those.
 
tobnpr Who is currently selling a civilian version of the AKM?
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I found mine on the secondary market, it was new in the box and the seller was the original owner.

They show up in pawn shops from time to time.
 
You must have read over in, but in post 18 I stated that it will be used mostly for sport shooting. Maybe an indoor range here and there, but mostly paper/cardboard targets at a 100yard range.
 
If you're just doing recreational shooting, then any of the suggested weapons will work.

If you're doing more, such as training for actual fighting, then you'll need to consider your choice more carefully based upon your situation.
 
I would first revise your question and ask yourself what do you really want the rifle to do?

AR's are the best kit gun to change or modify to your taste. .223 ammo prices are coming down but still expensive. You can get a .22 trainer for 90 percent of your practice.

Ak's are generally less expensive and you can often buy two for what you paid for the AR. Ammo is cheapest, but generally accuracy is mediocre.

A full battle rifle is another animal. More powerful, heavier, more expensive ammo. I have fal's, Springfield M1a's, and PTR-91's. I think all are great, but mag cost for PTR's is by far the cheapest. I have not shot any of the AR 308's or what is said to be the best - the FN SCAR 17 heavy. This Rifle and mags are the most expensive of all.

Just get em all and sell your car, house, and tv's to pay for it.
 
As far as the accessories, all I really had in mind was a red dot, vertical grip (maybe?) and a sure fire style light. Not going overboard with it, but def. want a quad rail hand guard.
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If you are wanting to do a tacti-cool type AK47 you can start with a regular AK47 then add this 5 rail mount.
http://aa-ok.com/5-rail-system-for-ak-models-black.html
This will give more than enough rail space to mount just about anything you can think of, and a scope rail mounted in the right place over the top cover.
 
I have a WASR 10/63. Paid a whole $249.00 bucks for it. Finally took it out and shot it. Its going to get a G2 trigger an Ultimak and a red dot sight which will let me cowitness the iron sights. The iron sights are pretty good on the AK 47 as they come.

The AK 47 is what it is......

if it aint broke don't fix it.
 
I will throw out two ways to go (and one has two options maybe three now)

Robnisnon Arms XCR:
This is the true moden decneai of the AK 47. It can be had in 7.62 x 39. Its a very solid gun, easier to field strip than an AK, massive bolt, long stroke gas piston and a very good trigger (close to but not quite in the RRA two starge match trigger class).
Robnison Arms is not a big palyer, they have had their ups and downs (if you order go through Kermati Zahn of Wild Thangs Farm in Idah. He also feels that RA is headed inthe right directin (recent posts and first ime he said that)
You can get a barrel conveson with bolt for $650 I think (check) in 5.56 (not sure if they have th 5.45 reussin yet. Also 6.8 SPC.
Its not a tack driver, but its pretty accuret (I can get sub MOA 3 shot groups but never 5 shot groups as that gas pison is not free floating).
Gun runs $1400-1600, no sights (monolithic top rail) but does come with the match grade trigger.
It will run the soft point bullets for hunting. Would have to see if the 7.62 rounds offer that, the 5.56 and 6.8 do.


AK 47 MAK-90: Used only, but a great gun. Chomre barrel and bolt, reliable, very heavy reciever in stamped (heaviesn in the world). Great AK model, does not have cool features like bayonet lug and supresor.
You can upgrade to a wooden stock with Deadwood stocks (and a US AK made magazine to meet fed specs if that concerns you. Going price is $500-650.
 
I was going to suggest a PSL, but then you said the range you shoot at is 100 yards. Then go with an AK or even an RPK for a little longer and heavier barrel. Then get a drum for it. :)
 
Bullet cost:
6.8 is .9 to $1/bullet
7.62AK is about .25c /bullet
5.56 is I dunno about .25-30/rnd?
If AR ergos meet your body type, then you will probably like them. If not, then it's a semi-auto.
AKs are ungodly reliable.

6.8Rem, 7.62AK, 6.5Grendel are about even in ballistics out to 200 yards, then 6.8 takes over to about 400, then 6.5 out past that. Where I hunt, I can't see 200 yards usually b/c of the timber, so 7.62AK upper for an AR15 lower was the correct answer.

I have a buddy who loved his FAL. I have another bud who loves his Cetme. Both of those are .308.

You have lots of choices. Take your time. Enjoy the reading.

Happy shooting.
 
DieselNuts:

We are playing into the anti-gunners' hand when we describe a military look alike semi-auto as an assult rifle. Can you imagine the Mid East countries arming themselves with semi-auto AK 47's? I can't. We should call look alikes by name not assult rifles.

Semper Fi.

Gunnery sergeant
Clifford L. Hughes
USMC retired
 
M1 Carbine the first TRUE assault rifle and you cant go wrong
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While the M1 carbines are nice, they are not "assault rifles". M2 carbines, with their select fire capability are.

The first assault rifle, recognised as such is the German MP 43 & 44. It was even named "assault rifle" (sturmgewehr) by Hitler, and the nomenclature changed from MP (Maschinen Pistole - machine Pistol) to Stg (sturmgewehr).

Since the big flap over military look alikes in the 90s, the media has consistantly referred to them incorrectly as "assault rifles" or "assault weapons" (a made up term denoting semi auto weapons that resemble military select fire weapons).

I don't fault you for using the words in common usage, when you don't know any better. Now, you do. We have been beating this horse since the media began its campaign of lies and half truths, and will continue to do so every time its needed. Use the proper terminology and we avoid the confusion.

Real "assault rifles" are legally machineguns under US law. Semi autos are just semi auto rifles, no more, no less.
 
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