what's your survival rifle?
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Southern Shooter
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HKFan9...
HKFan9,
I am not sure if you are knocking the brand of gun or the concept of a single-shot. But, many of us can do well in a variety of situations with a single-shot, a compass, and the ability to read the night skies.
Fancy devices are great and have their places. But, a cool-head and a little knowledge combined with some low-tech tools (and, inexpensive like Braztech products) should never be underestimated.
Just my opinion.
Thanks
HKFan9,
I am not sure if you are knocking the brand of gun or the concept of a single-shot. But, many of us can do well in a variety of situations with a single-shot, a compass, and the ability to read the night skies.
Fancy devices are great and have their places. But, a cool-head and a little knowledge combined with some low-tech tools (and, inexpensive like Braztech products) should never be underestimated.
Just my opinion.
Thanks
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Legionnaire
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For this scenario, I'd lean toward my Savage 24 .22mag/20 gauge combo. Mine is set up with a 1-4X Leupold scope. The .22 mag barrel is very accurate, and the shotgun barrel can shoot either slugs or shot. Yes, .22 mag is more expensive than .22 LR, and if I had a .22LR/20 gauge I might opt for that. But I already have the .22mag/20 ... it's my favorite squirrel getter.
I agree a shotgun is very very versatile as far as what can be taken with it, and variety of ammo, but the downfall is the ammo itself. Its big and bulky, you can't carry all that much of it, and the gun holds a limited capacity.
I agree... but like I said... getting lost in the woods and surviving for a short time is a whole different scenario than surviving long term with no society intact to back up your regular lifestyle.
I don't think the OP meant a survival situation where your lost... I think he meant the later, where something has happened and society has fallen. It wouldn't take long for people to start rioting and looting for supplies they need when there's no power and no running water, no trucks bringing supplies ect. ect. Look at New Orleans, just on a bigger scale. The last thing I would want to limit myself to was a single shot .410.
Even if you do settle out in the woods... you really think you will be the only group in the area doing the same thing.... hunting for the same game... when survival is what is really on the table... people get desperate, and will do drastic things to ensure theirs over any others.
I live in the country... and I also like to have my bases covered. I keep a water purfying system handy a long with a bunch of other things ready in GO bags. Most of the stuff however most people have where I live because the power goes out very often in the winter.;
tahunua001
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I guess I wasn't as specific as I thought I was. this isn't really a lost in the woods type deal as much as a hide out and let the punks and thugs kill each other scenario. where it's not the fact that I cant get back to civilization but rather that I dont want to risk going back to civilization. it's not an "I am legend" scenario, it's not a "when mars attacks" scenario and it's not a "call of duty modern warfare" scenario but rather the much more likely, people are rioting in the streets and the police and national guard cant maintain order so you have to get out of town and stay out of town until things settle down. so it is a SHTF but not the usual suspects of SHTF threads.
tahunua001
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pretty much, I wouldn't necessarily agree with the whole having to fight over food and water though. the way I see it is that if someone else has the same idea and fled the city rather than engaging in anarchy themselves they probably have about as much right to do so as I do. a single shot is not suited for self defense but as it has already been said on this thread, in a perfect situation you should also have a handgun on you for self defense should your rifle fail you
Southern Shooter
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SYNERGY
A situation like that would be best served by the way we are interacting here...from the many angles that we are thinking on this thread. Sharing ideas, experiences, knowledge, etc.. Or, in other words, SYNERGY http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/synergy
Even bugging out of a city for a time until order is restored will require, in some form or fashion, a sense of interdependence amongst each other. I doubt many of us could sustain the extended emotional and physical energy levels required for survival, alone. We have to rest sometimes and will need an ally at those times to cover our backs.
Just some food for thought.
A situation like that would be best served by the way we are interacting here...from the many angles that we are thinking on this thread. Sharing ideas, experiences, knowledge, etc.. Or, in other words, SYNERGY http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/synergy
Even bugging out of a city for a time until order is restored will require, in some form or fashion, a sense of interdependence amongst each other. I doubt many of us could sustain the extended emotional and physical energy levels required for survival, alone. We have to rest sometimes and will need an ally at those times to cover our backs.
Just some food for thought.
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tahunua001
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exactly, I may have fresh water and guns but they may have medicine and traps, I may have a small survival garden and they may have enough know how to make an irrigation system for it, co operation is the best way to survive long term outdoors. I think of the beilski resistance in poland during WWII where 1500 jews lived in the forest for several years. small communities offer the best chance of survival
Agreed... I am not saying I would be the aggressor, but I am simply stating I personally... would not feel safe with a single shot, giving whatever event was unfolding.
Yes single shots are great... I small game hunt with a single shot .410 and a .22 6 shot revolver all the time, but I am thinking in the event where I would need to leave home... and break away for some extended time.. I might need the ability to lay down extra fire. Yes I always have a handgun on me, but realistically a handgun is never ideal, then again... what is ideal given a situation like the one given
Yes single shots are great... I small game hunt with a single shot .410 and a .22 6 shot revolver all the time, but I am thinking in the event where I would need to leave home... and break away for some extended time.. I might need the ability to lay down extra fire. Yes I always have a handgun on me, but realistically a handgun is never ideal, then again... what is ideal given a situation like the one given
This post followed mine. I'm curious, who was it you were actually responding to?
As for bugging out of the city and heading for the woods I still say the people who own those woods aren't going to be happy at all about you hunting their game. People who own that land, work it, pay taxes on it, make payments on it (in some cases) and live on it will almost certainly resent any intruders. You will probably be met with armed resistance in fact. You can't just assume the "woods" is public land. It generally isn't unless you find a national forest or state forest etc..
There is lots of public land out west. That isn't the case in the east. There are national forests but if you've ever gone deer hunting in a national forest you'll know that there will be hundreds if not thousands of other folks trying to stake out the same land you are. In short if you want land to bug out to, you really need to buy some now.
People will become VERY possessive of their land in the case of hard times. Ask any people who lived in the country during the depression. Land was jealously guarded by armed land owners. It's their land and they have the total right to it. If people are reduced to hunting for game for food they will severely resent you trying to hunt their land.
Heck I have neighbors who almost shot me for being on their land after I was given permission by the owner to be there. It was the brother of the owner who took it on himself to run me off and I wasn't hunting. If I would have had a rifle he would have probably shot me. I'm not kidding. I did have a Sig P220 under my sweatshirt just for people like that. But they've had lots of problems with people hunting on their land before and they are avid hunters themselves so they want to keep the game for themselves. I don't blame them for being possessive about their land. I just didn't like being threatened when I had permission to be there. The guy didn't even take my word for it that I had that permission until a boy with him told him I had talked to the owner. There were 3 armed men and a boy and they thought they had me nailed. That's the sort of thing a person is liable to face when hunting where they shouldn't be.
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L_Killkenny
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What Art said:
And he's right. For all of you including the OP that think you'll be able to run off to the woods and play Davy Crocket you'd be dead wrong for you'll have every outdoorsman in the country out doing exactly this and game will be gone in no time. Snares are better than guns, wild edibles are gonna be a must and you'll have to be creative and have a strong stomach about what you are willing to eat.
You'll also have zero available health care or drugs so if you get as much as a thorn in your foot you risk dying and long slow painful death. Sound like fun now?
Long term woods survival? A gun is gonna do you very little good. You want a better way? Learn to discreatly raise a few rabbits and garden. Stock pile seeds.
LK
And he's right. For all of you including the OP that think you'll be able to run off to the woods and play Davy Crocket you'd be dead wrong for you'll have every outdoorsman in the country out doing exactly this and game will be gone in no time. Snares are better than guns, wild edibles are gonna be a must and you'll have to be creative and have a strong stomach about what you are willing to eat.
You'll also have zero available health care or drugs so if you get as much as a thorn in your foot you risk dying and long slow painful death. Sound like fun now?
Long term woods survival? A gun is gonna do you very little good. You want a better way? Learn to discreatly raise a few rabbits and garden. Stock pile seeds.
LK
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A bit off topic, but isn't it AMAZING what Amazon carries?! Aside from the grocery store and gas station, I seriously don't go to stores much anymore, especially with their $79 annual Prime Membership where qualifying items ship 2nd day overnight for free. It's too bad that Amazon doesn't have even more items for shooting sports.
Marquezj16
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ha ha ha ha I'm sorry but I have not seen anybody die from a thorn on the foot even with out use of medication or medical intervention. Maybe if it was a poisonous plant and you were deathly allergic to it. Or the old rusty nail, tetanus is not something to mess with.
Stockpile on antibiotics and pain killers!
Okay, so I'm just a little off this morning. lol
tahunua001
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alright I'm not trying to start flaming but seriously? have you ever gone picking wild blackberries? cutting firewood? hunting? fishing? camping? how about all of these in one weekend? I've had my arms lacerated by thorns, then gone fishing, gotten covered in slime then gone and cut a cord of firewood, inhaled all of that sawdust and gotten my hands filled with splinters and then gone swimming in water that was less than sanitary then gone and sloshed through mud and tracked an elk and gutted her out and dragged her out in quarters.
I dont recall going back to a central air heated home and loading myself up with antibiotics and curling up with my bible praying that I wont die of infection. anyone that has lived in the outdoors for any amount of time build immunity to their environment over the course of their lives. rattlesnakes, poison ivy, that stuff I can understand but seriously...a thorn?
I agree people have gotten very soft.
I get cuts from the environment all the time. Usually I don't even use a band aid unless it is bleeding a lot. I am not saying I am some tough guy because I bet most of the people on these forums would kill me in a fight if for some reason it ever came to that.
I use to swim in the river near where I grew up with scratches on me all the time (mostly on the arms) from bucking hay bails and it was pretty dirty water in that river.
I do how ever agree with this
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tahunua001
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nobody said that you could live on nothing but meat. vitamin supplements and a survival garden are going to have to supplement a hunting diet.
Right... I took those as a given... since I already have such things, along with seeds packed away. This is a forum for firearm enthusiasts... and the topic was specifically about which firearm you would bring.... not overall strategy. I agree with you that the firearm is probably not the most important piece of gear... but it is what is in question.
Speaking of which.. I got a thorn in my forehead the other night helping out at a local haunted hayride... I didn't take meds or put anything on it.... I guess it was nice knowing you guys.... goodbye cruel world.
Marquezj16
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We will miss your input in the forum. BTW are you selling your guns since you won't be needing them anymore.