what's your survival rifle?

more ammo is better and survival will depend on small game, not large. How long can you keep a hundred pounds of meat from spoiling without electricity? Especially us in the south.
in winter up in my neck of the woods will last close to 6 months in a rough year and 4 1/2 to 5 months in a good year so just a couple deer could last an entire winter. also there are ways to make meat last such as jerky. in winter months finding squirrels, raccoons, rabbits and other small game will be difficult while there is 6 feet of snow on the ground.

I agree that there is no perfect gun that can fit all situations. I have my AK as a bugout gun if I have to fit my way out of civilization. I have my AR15 for taking deer, bear protection(blackbears), wolves, coyotes and one of the few cougars. a ruger 10/22 would be ideal for turkey, grouse, squirrels, rabbits and whatever else we might have to live off of. I would also pack a 22 pistol and a 45 for defense, this would solve the whole charging bear dilemas floating around.

this is a situation more based off if an imperfect scenario where you are only able to bring a single rifle

having owned both I will say that a marlin 60 is a better survival gun because it is lighter, cheaper, more accurate, more compact and yes a 14 round tube is better than a 10 round box mag. however the ruger is easier to stockpile parts for, you can give it a better setup for what you perform best with(pistol grip, thumbhole, polymer, wood ETC), a 25 round banana mag is give you more ammo cap and faster reloads and is still plenty accurate for a 50 yard squirrel shot. I used to hit empty 22 casings with my marlin 60 at 50-60 yards, the best I've ever tried with my ruger was quail but I'm sure if I actualyl tried to zero it in I would at least hit a 223 casing at 25 yards. well within the kill zone for a squirrel.
 
M&P 15-22

Well if my AR15 is not available, then I guess I will take my M&P 15-22 for all those rabbits, squirrels, and little critters of the forrest.

Accurate, and can you say 25 rd magazine? :D
 
No, I have never fired "sticks" out of a bow. I have fired arrows made by hand from my bow. No I'm not some master bowyer but I am confident that I could do it if I had 24/7 open.
Seems like I touched a nerve though, do you have a story to share?
 
I've never used a savage 24 combo firearm, so I don't know if they're any good, but the idea is intriguing. I'd probably opt for a 22lr/20 gauge combo. I'd mostly stick with 22lr ammo, but 20 gauge buck, slugs, and birdshot would add a lot of versatility while being less bulky than 12 gauge ammo.
 
Decisions, Decisions... I guess I'd grab my Mini-14 since I load my own ammo and have a pretty good supply of .223. Ammo is a lot lighter for the Mini than for my 6.5x55 or .280 Rem. My S&W 25-5 (in .45 Colt will ride on my hip, probably with 300gr hard cast lead bullets (although 250's would probably be fine). With the 8 3/8" barrel I would feel pretty confident hunting large game with that to feed the family. Bring the 10/22 and Sig 232 in .380acp for the wife, and a Marlin 15YN .22 for my oldest boy. I figure that selection plus a Matthews Genesis bow for the boys should be more than capable of keeping us fed. The idea of the rifle/shotgun combo intrigues me, my father had one when I was a kid (Savage I think but don't quote me on that) in .22/.410 but I think .22/20 or 12ga might be better

Stu
 
Since no one else is sticking to the one rifle rule, I would bring both my M&P 15 OR and have a 3-9x40 Burris scope on it and my M&P 15 Sport and have a red dot cowitness with iron sights. They share the same ammo whether it be 5.56 or .223 (FMJ, SP, or V-max) and use the same magazines for both. Either way I have plenty. :D

Cleaning kit is small enough to stuff in a cargo pocket. A 4 oz bottle of lube goes a long way. They are both tough and can handle the woods. If one breaks, I can always use it for parts for the other.

I can use either to hunt any type of game. I'd use the scope for anything long distance.
And most of all I can use them to defend from any predators, whether they have 2 or 4 legs.

Don't even get me started on pistols. :D
 
My rifle will likely be a .22 because you can carry a lot more .22 ammo than any other kind. And you can bring down deer with a .22 if you get the right shot. I'd hope to have a large caliber pistol for those times when a .22 just won't do though. I'd like to have my old Stevens 15-A because it is as simple as a firearm gets and that means it will work more reliably than any other firearm. For my "just in case" handgun I'd like to keep my S&W 629 revolver. It's big enough for anything around these parts and it will likely keep working when most semi-autos have gave up the ghost from hard living. It's a stainless revolver that shoots .44 magnum shells. That will stop those hungry bears from taking your food and trust me, they will try to take your food. They do that now here at my house. Every time I cook out a bear shows up trying to scare me off so it can have my dinner.

Small animals can be killed with traps as easily as with a rifle. Maybe more so. A good rock fall trap can produce a lot of food. Nothing is needed but rocks and sticks. And you can set up hundreds of them. So can a fish trap. If you have a decent stream in the area you'll likely find far more food from a fishtrap than from hunting. And then there's noodling if you have enough whiskey to make you drunk enough not to know better. I guess it beat's starving. I know lots of people who do it and none of them are dead yet. But a bite from a copperhead will slow you down a lot if you're trying to catch your food. A trot line can catch a lot of fish too but it takes a lot of fishing line. A decent stick made into a makeshift gig can feed a hundred people in the spring just from frog legs. I've never ate anything better in my life than frog legs.

If you grew up learning about the plants in your area you can harvest lots and lots of food from the forest. The problem is generally that most of that food is ready to eat for a short season and if you miss out you miss out. I grew up in the hills of eastern Kentucky where we had lots of edible plants. Nuts of all types (one hickory nut tree can feed a person all year practically), raspberries, black berries, poke salad, elderberries, paw paws, grapes, plums, wild strawberries, mulberry trees, wild onions, ramps, chestnuts, walnuts, beechnuts, wild leeks, mushrooms, muscles (not a plant obviously but great if you can actually still find any - they're just about extinct - there were millions of them when I was a kid), dandelions, sassafras (for tea), tubers (if you can stand them), wild lettuce, etc. are just some of the wild plants I can think of quickly. There are others but they are hard to find and not as desirable. And of course there's honey if you know how to get it.

I can tell you it doesn't take long to hunt out an area if you're trying to live of the land. You'll kill every game animal for miles within a couple of years and that's considering that deer are still plentiful when you start like they are now. They will leave an area that is being hunted heavily. They aren't stupid at all. Rabbits, squirrels, etc. will quickly fall to your firearms and traps. Expect to learn to like the taste of possum and coon. Possum in particular are more plentiful than any other animals around and they reproduce at a higher rate. You may have to fall back on eating mice even. They will keep you alive. Just swallow them whole and forget what you just did as quickly as possible. :D

People are a lot tougher than we think we are in our civilized world. We can eat things that would make a billygoat puke if we're starving. People ate some really awful stuff during the worst years of the depression. I know people that ate tree bark, grass, and anything else that would fill that hole in their bellies. It turned out to be way worse than they thought though. Most of them didn't try it twice. Heck people eat dirt sometimes.

Some of the things we are trying hard to get rid of might provide us a lot of food in the future. Wild hogs reproduce at a staggering rate and they taste just like pork when you eat them (for some strange reason). We might even find a taste for nutrias. :( I also live near the mighty Ohio River so finding fish in that isn't hard at all except you'll probably die from eating it and there will be a hundred thousand other people hitting the known hot spots. Everyone knows where to catch sauger and stripers. Everybody knows better than to eat them too. With Institute WV, Pittsburgh PA and the local chemical companies all up river from the spot to catch those fine tasting fish I'd say even trying for food there is a going to be an unproductive waste of time.

BTW if you are city people and you think all that land you see in the country is free and open, boy will there ever be a surprise waiting for you. You will be the ones people are running off to protect their land. And trust me they will know you are there. Sorry but resources will be VERY limited and it will take a lot of land to feed just a few people. If someone thinks you are killing the game on their land they won't be happy about it. Sorry. Really. But that is how it will go. I know how things went during the depression. My parents generation lived through it and we heard all the stories. Strangers were generally considered a threat and were dealt with accordingly.
 
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For a survival rifle I am gonna pick a .22 lr. most likely my Ruger 10-22 due to the fact that I am most familiar with it. In 30 years I have shot a warehouse full of .22 lr out of it. I am in Central Texas so no big moose or bears here. I can find a lot more squirrels, and small critters, without having so much work to preserve meat. Time spent doing that I could have been getting more food. I also would have out a trap line, as well as a couple of trot lines too.

Also for deer, and hogs I have ended the lives of many of them with a 50 pound recurve bow it is light, as would be the quiver with plenty of arrows. Also a lot quiter, so no bringing a lot of undue attention with the sound of a shot fired.
 
I'll take my new Vz.58 in 7.62x39 that I just bought. It's a sweet little rifle.

It could also handle deer-sized game within 150 yards, which is all that most people need.
 
I would take my AR. Light, and can handle anything that it would be aimed at here in PA.

I don't know where you come off Jim.. but calling people an idiot is kind of childish... and I would have to agree that 30 rounds of 62gr steel tips (which were designed to have similar barrier penetration if not better than a 7.62x51 NATO) could kill any bear. 30 holes in something generally is enough to stop it, including an engine block.

Bears are thin skinned, just have a lot of fat, the steel tips will go through that, a well aimed shot to the head would most likely drop it in its tracks.

I guess you follow the same ill placed line that it requires a .270 or .30-06 to bring down bambi... I have been doing it with a .22-250, .223 and .243 since I began hunting.

Anything even a .22 can bring down game to survive on, the reason I would opt for an AR... even if it is overkill on small game would be that its designed function is a combat rifle, and that would be my biggest threat.

Plus I have 1000's of rounds for my AR already, spare mags, enough spare parts to rebuild it a few times over. It can be fully disassembled practically with the multi tools I keep in my car and range bag.

Luckily if the world does go crazy, I have a cabin on an island in the middle of a lake where I will be crashing. Only accessible by boat, plenty of land to farm and water to fish, and i can take a boat ride to main land to hunt.

I am just really counting on Zombie's not being able to swim.:eek:
 
I like fast-eddie's idea of a Savage 24 in .22RF over 20 gauge. Handy, versatile, and you could carry lots of ammo.

My Savage 24s both have .223 rifle barrels; not quite so good for living off the land.

Another idea might be a TC Contender carbine. You could have a .22RF barrel for squirrels and small game, plus a .44 mag carbine barrel in the pack for deer. I think there may be a 20 gauge barrel available for the G2 Contender as well. Not as handy as a Savage 24, but every bit as versatile.

My old original Contender carbine is boringly accurate in .22RF and very easy for me to shoot well.
 
Don't laugh too hard...but, I have found the Rossi .410 / .22LR combo to be very useful to me. It is simple, lite and compact. And, I would feel comfortable with being able to provide for myself and protect myself with this setup.

No laughing here... it's a viable combination, light to carry, capable of small game and flying birds.. Availability of .410 ammo is a slight problem, but you could carry quite a few with you, compared to 12 ga. Probably about 3 or 4 to 1.

I'd probably opt for a good tube fed .22 rifle, preferrably semi-auto... although I wouldn't feel too limited by a good bolt action like my Remington.
The semi would only be for a self-defense scenario, but I imagine I could work the bolt pretty quickly on the Remington, if need be. If I had to scavenge ammo, the bolt action would allow the use of shorts, if they were "found". Plus they are VERY quiet.
 
HKfan,
glad to know someone else thinks the way I do. I think JIMs held his peace though, either that or his just got bored with the thread but I think that flaming session has worn itself out.

kudos to the contender. I've never shot it in 22 but my brother in law has one that used to be a 45lc/410 pistol that he used to pack up to elk camp and used to use it on grouse. now he's got it setup for 45/70 in a rifle and man..that thing'll drop anything in north america but it jumps out of my hands every time I squeeze the trigger lol
 
Southern Shooter
Don't Laugh too hard...
Don't laugh too hard...but, I have found the Rossi .410 / .22LR combo

I have same one, except with the walnut stock. It's a good setup for "true" lost in the woods survival (none of that SHTF stuff). The only drawback with it is that you're limited to a single shot and follow-ups are far in between.
 
Variety and Potency

I agree that follow-up shots will be far and few between. I just hope to not be defending myself against a gang.

As for the woods, to help make the .410 meet a number of needs, I keep a box of #6 shot, a few boxes of 000 buckshot, and a number of boxes of these http://www.brennekeusa.com/cms/264.html in the zippered case the gun comes in. Take a look at the ballistics of the Brenneke slugs. And, supposedly the lead is a harder alloy than your normal slug offering is a chance to penetrate more without deformation.

Also, I keep 300 .22 LR in the case. These with the .410 ammunition are what make up my in-the-trunk-all-the-time-gun for camping, hiking, etc.. I think that if I don't go and pick a fight, combine hunting skill with well placed shots, and stay defensively minded, this setup could keep me fed and protected for a while.
 
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It's a good setup for "true" lost in the woods survival (none of that SHTF stuff).

Although I am fairly certain it is impossible to get lost in the wilderness of PA without coming across a road or something, if that were the case.. I would be more worried about packing one of these....

http://www.amazon.com/ACR-Satellite-406-Cat-EPIRB/dp/B003MEUFYC

Rather than any gun... let alone a single shot braztech/rossi/tauri

I think the OP was more getting at if society broke down.. which is not as far fetched as you might think... an epidemic, or natural disaster, or solar flare can pretty much break down our society and infrastructure rather quickly.
 
I have to go with my remington 870 12 gauge

For a defense weapon and big n small game.just have plenty of 00 buckshot and some #6s you should be covered for anything from insurgents to black bears.
 
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