What's with all this "liberal" nonsense?

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44,
I hear ya and that's exactly what I'm tryin' to say.

Pointer,
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Let's throw a cobra and a mongoose into the ring and say we didn't mean to...
...make it a mammal vs reptile thing.
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Not quite a valid analogy. I'm just as frustrated with the liberal forums I deal with because they act the same way. The reason you don't see me fuss about it here is because this is a primarily right-leaning forum. That means the folks *around here* who are doing the labeling, passing around the propaganda, and rejecting uncomfortable facts are all conservative.

JohnBT,
I think you're just frustrated that more people don't agree with your worldview and your conclusions.
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Then you're mistaken. I'm frustrated that some people around here refuse to even talk about it. I'm frustrated with all the bleating. I'm frustrated with all the intellectual dishonesty. The flawed logic, the nonexistent thought processes, the issue-ducking, pigeonholing, name calling...
This thread specifically addresses these issues. Here's the logic behind the stunt:

1) I do not like what you're saying, therefore you're a liberal. Liberals always lie, therefore you're a liar. You're a liar, therefore what you're saying is a lie. Since it's a lie I'm rejecting it.

Why don't you just condense this down to what you really mean: I don't like what you're saying, therefore I'm not going to listen to it!

No, John, I'm not frustrated that more people don't agree with me. I'm frustrated with the lack of rational debate on what's supposed to be a forum.
 
invention_45, your statement

While you, a liberal, don't see yourself this way, a lot of non-liberals do.
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again affirms my point: the structure of the political dialogue between left and right owes less to how those parties define themselves and their own agendas, but more to the motives and attributes ascribed to them by their adversaries. While reality may be different, it's the perception - the stereotype if you will - that currently provides the structure for communication, or rather, the lack of substantive communication and the facilitation of harangues to the like-minded or ideological trench warfare.

To put it more plainly, I may know what I am, but my opponents feel they know who I am too, and they certainly aren't in any mood to listen to my explanation of who I am.
 
Meekandmild,

Your point would make sense if Republicans weren't the party of choice for seniors voting to "protect Social Security".


Both parties trample rights. Both parties cater to special interests. And, most damning, both parties make a point of turning nearly everything into a party platform issue.


This is a gun forum, and gun control is primarily a Democrat platform, so they are going to take a beating. But if this was a freedom of privacy forum the talk would be different. It would be mainly populated by Democrats, because conservatives would not feel very welcome given their party's behavior.



The thing that really gets me is that it sometimes feels like the two parties had a secret meeting and decided who got what topic to defend, and all of the topics on the list were merely distractions.

I blame both parties for gun control. Some Democrats pushed it, but the Republicans made it a platform issue with the manner they reacted to it. Gun freedoms have little to do with the base philosophy of either party, and it would be better if it was treated more like highway policy or some other non-partisan issue. As it stands, half the gun control proponents assume it is necessary because of the amount of fuss Republicans make saying it is not.

I wish we could divorce gun issues from any party platform that drones on about "family values", God or any other issue that has nothing to do with administrating a nation. But when people see that the same people telling them that guns are a right also want to block the teaching of science in school, they start to wonder how smart gun ownership is.
 
I like Ledbetter's ideas, let's go with Revolutionaries instead. :D Keep the Democrats out of our pockets, the Republicans out of personal lives, and the rest of the government away from our guns. If only the Libertarians could put on a successful campaign I'd have someone to vote for. :(
 
This thread has turned into a mutual admiration society for the leftist/Democrat posters here at TFL...
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And your post exposes you as the type of non-thinking dovetailer that this thread is about.


Only a couple of the people posting on this thread vote Democrat. Most of us don't, but there you go, labeling everyone in a weak effort to write the discussion off. Your childish behavior disgusts me.
 
rimrock, I agree we need less government in our personal lives. They can stop pushing other peoples sexual perversions on us and stop robbing our pay everytime these perverts invents a new illness.

Government can stop the assault on marrige between a MAN and a WOMEN. It's clear that America is sick and tiered of getting bashed for the sake of two males to fullfill a mental disorder. Let liberals pay for sex offender rehab programs. All the above brought to America thanks to liberal thinking, which is not really thinking but, an emotional disorder.

We have an engineer at work who refuses to send his kids to public school just so they don't try to convert the kids into little sex obssesed no minds and anti America leftists. Cutting taxes would chock off most of theses deranged ideas tat modern day liberals teach.

Liberals can't stand a pesky kid in the way of sexual gratification, they'll have it killed. But the'll sue the entire fast food industrie if a chicken doesn't have a enough room to walk around in.

These same pathetic liberals refuse to teach second ammendment and hate all the others.

These same sorry democrats,ha, thats a good one! Can't stand the thought of any free man making a buck without shelling most of it out to the gov,. and every other loser who dosn't deserve a dime.

So yea! less government in our and our families lives!
 
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Only a couple of the people posting on this thread vote Democrat. Most of us don't

Prove it. The ball is in your court.
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So what if they do vote Democratic? What are they gonna do, walk around in fear of being outed by the brave and ever-stalwart Steelheart, the ideologically pure defender of the sheeple? Please ... :rolleyes:

I voted Democratic for the last several national elections. News flash: I don't 'belong' to the Democratic Party, and I don't agree with every single tenet and agenda espoused by every one of its members; basically, I am a normal American voter who finds the best fit possible each time an election occurs, and that's the fit I chose.

I really don't care what you may or may not think about my voting record. In fact, it's not really any of your business - I'm just saving Handy the trouble and 'outing' myself.

Round and round we go ... why do I waste my time?
 
You bet!
And, I'll say this too!
The government in Minneapolis decided we had to pay for a "gay pride" parade.

Since none of us pay for this ill symptom of a sick society, they cancelled one of two family day parades.

The long loved Aquatennial parade. We had two at separate times to accomidate all good families and kids, single people, with a clean happy festive, Non-sexual time for all.

What a punch in the nose that was, and forced on us by the government.
 
rimrock, I agree we need less government in our personal lives. They can stop pushing other peoples sexual perversions on us and stop robbing our pay everytime these perverts invents a new illness.
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Um....Leif...what is it that you were telling me about what a conservative thinks?


Government can stop the assault on marrige between a MAN and a WOMEN
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They've already done that in some states. By making a law against same-sex marriage. You see, when you make a law, that's MORE GOVERMENT, not LESS GOVERNMENT. You need to retake algebra. Like the German lady says on the VW commercials. "You get an F".


. It's clear that America is sick and tiered of getting bashed for the sake of two males to fullfill a mental disorder.
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No, it's clear you like poking your nose into other peoples' business that doesn't affect you, and would like the gubmint to help.


Let liberals pay for sex offender rehab programs. All the above brought to America thanks to liberal thinking, which is not really thinking but, an emotional disorder.
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It's gonna take me a while to unravel that one.


We have an engineer at work who refuses to send his kids to public school just so they don't try to convert the kids into little sex obssesed no minds and anti America leftists. Cutting taxes would chock off most of theses deranged ideas tat modern day liberals teach.
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To be an engineer, he sorta has to subscribe to the results of SCIENCE, which is one of the deranged ideas they teach in public schools.

Liberals can't stand a pesky kid in the way of sexual gratification, they'll have it killed.
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Let's see. Back in the '60s and '70s, the conservatives (for Leif's benefit, I mean the moral conservatives) didn't want birth control pills. Now they don't want abortions, no matter what the reason. This means their real issue is they want to control somebody else's sexual gratification, not preserving life. I suppose if I were a do-nothing clergyman, living off tithes, I would like a high population of sheep as well. But I prefer the satisfaction of WORKING for a living.

These same pathetic liberals refuse to teach second ammendment and hate all the others.
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Where do you get this rubbish?

These same sorry democrats,ha, thats a good one! Can't stand the thought of any free man making a buck without shelling most of it out to the gov,. and every other loser who dosn't deserve a dime.
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I pay about 28% Federal income tax. No state tax other than 6% sales. I'm something of a middle-income kind of guy. I don't feel overtaxed.

So yea! less government in our and our families lives!
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Now there's the first sensible thing you said. Only I think you really want lots of government in certain parts of other people's lives, just none in your own. Oh, and you want it for free. It don't work that way.
 
Leif said:

I voted Democratic for the last several national elections. News flash: I don't 'belong' to the Democratic Party, and I don't agree with every single tenet and agenda espoused by every one of its members; basically, I am a normal American voter who finds the best fit possible each time an election occurs, and that's the fit I chose.

I really don't care what you may or may not think about my voting record. In fact, it's not really any of your business - I'm just saving Handy the trouble and 'outing' myself.
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So I don't have to say it.
 
invention_45, I wasn't trying to fight with you. I full well agree there are some conservatives that fit your description, probably more than I care to admit - just not all of them. Trying to get away from the broad-brush descriptions for both sides of the political spectrum.
 
Since none of us pay for this ill symptom of a sick society, they cancelled one of two family day parades.
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Busybodiness is a bigger symptom of a sick society, and we all have to pay for that. So just get over it.
 
You bet!
And, I'll say this too!
The government in Minneapolis decided we had to pay for a "gay pride" parade.
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Hey, I don't like that any more than you do. You shouldn't have to pay for any parade, or any event, that you don't want to.

Since none of us pay for this ill symptom of a sick society, they cancelled one of two family day parades.
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"ill symptom of a sick society."?
The long loved Aquatennial parade. We had two at separate times to accomidate all good families and kids, single people, with a clean happy festive, Non-sexual time for all.

What a punch in the nose that was, and forced on us by the government.
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I agree. But that doesn't mean government should have any authority to step in on some make believe assault on marriage. Neither government not your church should be the authority on marriage; it's a concept that existed before both.


Like the German lady says on the VW commercials. "You get an F".
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ahahaha those commercials rock! "VEE DUB, representing deutschland :cool:" lolz
 
I guessed that, Leif. I named you mostly so others would know what I was responding to (the idea) since it was quite a few posts (and a lot of heat) ago.
 
We pay approx. 60% of our total earned income to this massive and controlling govenment.

And yes, I do believe that liberalism is a broken thought disorder combined with grand delusions of socialist and utopian thought.
 
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