What the heck

"Question for the pro's - is this for firearms only or can I submit an interesting/perplexing ammunition item?"


Cincinnatus,

I'm going to speak up here, since I LOVE ammunition of all stripes...

Please do!

But, if you're looking for information, as opposed to trying to stump people, please start a new thread.

I'd LOVE to see what you have!
 
I totally agree Mike, as long as its guns related like gun tools and some day soon you'll see reloading equipment and more in tools even fire starters that work like guns. Any one can put in questions as long as they back it up with data. This was started for fun and learning for all, myself most of all. I would like to thank everyone who's input has made this successful. I think almost 20,000 hits proves that.
 
Scorch has once again hit that one on the nail


421 Beholla pistol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beholla_pistol
The Beholla pistol was developed by Becker & Hollander. During World War I, it was a secondary military pistol used by the Imperial German Army. It was manufactured from 1915 until 1918, where, at that point, about 45,000 were produced.
After the Great War, the firm of Waffenfabrik August Mentz of Suhl continued to produce the Beholla as the Menta.[1]
 
Just an update to all those that participate in this thread, I will be adding some that I have been finding that will be listed as "I have no idea" these will be guns that I have found. They may or may not have names that I can't find any information other than the photo. My hope is that some of you can find information on the piece.
 
This one might be easy for some but I had never heard of the manufacture before. It has a lot of GLOCK in it but that trigger I would like to try.
 

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For some fun or mind numbing experience this is one of the first "I have NO IDEA!"
I have no idea if it's real or not but if its a photo editing is appears to be a good one.
Does anyone know of an in the pants holster made for this gun???
 

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Got that one Buzzcook:D
522 Arsenal Firearms Strike One
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_Firearms_Strike_One
The Arsenal Firearms "Strike One" is a polymer or Ergal-framed, short recoil operated, striker-fired semi-automatic pistol introduced by the company Arsenal Firearms in 2012.[3]
Development[edit]
The Strike One uses a Bergmann System introduced in the Bergmann–Bayard pistol. Unlike the Browning system, the barrel does not tilt. It is locked with a Y shaped part that during the recoil locks the barrel and bolt and half way through it drops, releasing the barrel. The barrel stops its motion, the bolt continues back, ejecting the spent cartridge case and loading fresh cartridge and on its way back the Y shaped locking fork reengages and the barrel and bolt move together forward. Instead of tilting the barrel only moves in a straight line, thus increasing the accuracy. The Strike one is rated for +P+ ammunition and specifically set up to fire Russian 9×19mm ammunition 7N21 and 7N31 which are close to .357 SIG in their performance. The pistol will be available in: 9×19mm Parabellum, 9×21mm IMI, .357 SIG, and .40 S&W. There is no discussion for 10mm Auto or .45 ACP versions, although a .38 Super version is being considered due to this cartridge's popularity in Italy in particular (Italian laws forbid civilians to have weapons in the same caliber as military and police). A fully automatic version of the Strike One has been offered for the Russian Armed Forces. Longer barreled version (300mm) is also available.[4][5]
The Strike One pistol features a low bore axis as the distance from the barrel central axis to the top of the grip is 12 mm (0.47 in). Other 9×19mm Parabellum chambered service pistol designs have higher bore axes like the short recoil, locked breech, tilting barrel Caracal F 18 mm (0.71 in), Glock 17 20 mm (0.79 in), Tanfoglio Force 30 mm (1.18 in) and Heckler & Koch USP Compact 32 mm (1.26 in) The short recoil, locked-breech Beretta 92 and short recoil and locked-breech, rotating barrel lock Beretta Px4 Compact designs both have a 34 mm (1.34 in) bore axis height.
Stryk variants
At SHOT Show in 2016, Arsenal Firearms announced that they would be partnering with Salient Arms International and Prime Ammunition in the newly formed Prime Group to produce a variant known as the Stryk pistol. It will be manufactured by Salient Arms in the United States as the Stryk-A full size and Stryk-B compact variants and will cost less as well as maintaining an even greater profit margin. The displayed pre-production Stryk pistols feature Glock compatible sights, upgraded gripping surfaces and ergonomics, a different slide profile and other modifications. The Stryk-B model has a 15-round magazine.[6][7]
 
Norwegian M/1914 service pistol. Chambered for 11.25mm cartridge (45ACP). Special production Colt 1911. That slide lock is distinctive.
 
Scorch >>good one!!!!!!!
I have also added the original photo so the markings can be seen

545 Kongsberg Colt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kongsberg_Colt
The Kongsberg Colt is a nickname used for Colt M1911 pistols produced under license by the Norwegian factory Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk.
History[edit]
Norway adopted the 7.5 mm Nagant revolver (named M/1893) as the standard Norwegian military sidearm in 1893. Commissions to test possible new service pistols were active from 1904 till 1911. In 1911, a commission recommended adoption of the semi-automatic .38 ACP caliber Colt Military Model 1902 pistol, after field trials with 25 such pistols, all purchased from Colt's London Agency. However, as the US had just adopted the Colt .45ACP M/1911 pistol it was decided to conduct further tests. A pistol of the new M/1911 design was received in Norway in January 1913. Following extensive tests through early 1914, it was finally decided, in August 1914, to adopt the Colt M/1911 pistol in Norway. These pistols were to replace the Nagant revolvers (7,5mm M/1893) as the standard military sidearm in Norway. Fabrique Nationale in Belgium signed a contract allowing Norway to manufacture the M1911 in September 1914. The pistol would be produced at Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk in Norway.[1]
Production[edit]
As production start was slow, some M1911's were bought from Colt USA. 400 pistols were shipped to Norway for the Royal Norwegian Navy in 1915, 300 more pistols were shipped in 1917 for the Norwegian Army. Price was US$18.50 per piece.
The production at Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk in Norway started in 1916 and 95 pistols were finished in 1917 and wrongly stamped "COLT AUT. PISTOL M/1912" These pistols were identical to the Colt M1911 except for a minor detail on the hammer checkering. 100 pistols were ordered, but 5 were rejected during production. The serial range was from 1 to 95. Number 1 is in Bady's book "Government Models" and number 2 was stolen from Norwegian Armed Forces Museum in 1978.
Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk was ready to start mass production in 1918. One significant change was now made. The slide-stop was extended down and back to make it easier to operate. This change required a cut-out in the left stock. This change had been suggested in 1916, but did not materialize on the production pistols before in 1918. The new version had the left side of the slide stamped "11.25 m/m AUT. PISTOL M/1914." (AUT.= Automatisk) that was correct as the adoption of the gun was in 1914. Most of the pistols that had been marked "1912" were recalled to the factory to have the "new" slide stop installed. Production went on, but from 1932 to 1939 the production was very low, only 871 were made (approx 22,300 pieces were made before 1940).
During the German occupation of Norway (1940–1945), manufacture of the pistol, given the designation Pistole 657(n),[2] was continued under German control. The Waffenamt acceptance mark (WaA84) was added in 1945 and only those 920 pistols produced that year were ever Waffenamt-marked. It's not likely that any of these Waffenamt-marked pistols ever saw any action during World War II as the first one, serial# 29615, was delivered March 29, 1945 and the last one, serial# 30534, was delivered on 5 May 1945 just before liberation of Norway. In total, approximately 8200 pistols were made during German occupation (serials 22312-30534). All of them were delivered to AOK Norwegen (Army) except 700 that were delivered to Maza Norwegen (Navy).
Occupation production:
• 1940 = approx. 50 pistols
• 1941 = approx. 4099 pistols
• 1942 = 3154 pistols
• 1945 = 920 pistols
• No pistols were produced in 1943 & 1944. In those years, production of Krag-Jørgensen rifles was prioritized.
• A few pistols were assembled from existing parts after the war until production was halted at serial number 32854 in 1947. Twenty additional pistols were assembled from foreign-produced parts in 1987 as collector's pieces for the US market. A US dealer supplied commercial frames, slides and barrels as well as other parts that were assembled at Kongsberg. Previous markings were removed and Kongsberg markings and serials were engraved on the parts before the assembled pistols were returned to the US.[1]
Rare[edit]
Some of the most rare are the "Matpakke-Colt" (lunch box Colt) that were made out of parts smuggled out during World War II by workers and used by resistance forces. These have usually no serial markings or acceptance marks and the finish is usually not completed. The Waffenamt marked pistols are also very popular, 920 were made in 1945. The most rare are the first 95 marked with 1912.
 

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