What, if anything to do about China?

Its nice to say that China has a lot of ethnic groups, which is does. However, over 90% are Han Chinese. These are the Chinese you think about when you think Chinese history or people.
It is in China's best interest to help us now. Possibly not later. Right now, with trade, their industrial capacity is modernized and expanded.
As for Muslims in China, I have always said their time is up after the 2008 Olympic games. If they make China look like fools, it will be apocalyptic.
As for Russia in Afghanistan, I am not sure how motivated their troops were. The middle of the Tarim basin is also pretty open ground. The majority of the population there isn't Han Chinese either.
 
China is an enigma. Perhaps it will implode, but I am not betting on it.

The free traders scream "no tarriffs" while China continues to tie it's currrency to the US dollar. But with so much US debt, it becomes impossible to control our destiny.

Protectionism is not the answer, our populance has become too accustomed to paying the cost of imported goods. In most cases far below the price of comparible US products. Produced by slave labor, but we don't care we keep buying the crap. We are not playing on a level field, nobody notices or cares.

Manufacturing has definitely shifted there. At the present time we are a big economic power, but perhaps in a generation that will not be so. With wages decreasing, and taxes increasing I just don't see how it can continue for another 25 years without some economic catastrophe occurring. I've heard the arguments for decades about service economies, but I don't see it happening here with manufacturing gone.

I doubt I'll see in my lifetime the standard of living of Vietnam, China, India, or Mexico to rise to the level of the US. They will bring us down to their standard.

Maybe the Chinese are saying under their breath,"we will bury you".

The potential purchase of Unocal is disturbing. More foreign control of oil? Brilliant, just what we need.
 
We are way too quick to accept Beijing's numbers showing "miracle" economic growth. But can we trust its numbers any more than the miracle growth once credited to the Soviet Union? Market reforms or not, Beijing is still a police state running a command economy. Beijing is hiding military outlays, low-balling them so as not to draw suspicions about its territorial ambitions in the Taiwan Strait and elsewhere. China's stated goal is hegemony in Asia; it's called the "Island Chain Strategy," and those islands include Taiwan and Japan. American investors are pumping billions into the Chinese economy on the promise of huge returns, a promise slickly sold by the powerful pro-China lobby in Washington. Beijing needs that hard cash flow to finance its growth, because its state-run banks are virtually bankrupt. The vastly growing Chinese economy will soon come to a screeching halt and their new middle class will suffer the most. The communist control over a pseudo-capitalist system is now ready to implode. China has created a monster. The tidal wave of incoming money has set the stage for massive inflation which China cannot control.
 
Hello Gus.

Hello Gus. Welcome to TFL.

Would you mind elaborating a bit? I'd like to hear about what you think the causes of the conflict will be.
So far, the majority of discussion on this subject has been economic. You are one of the few posters who has mentioned a true military action, as opposed to a cold war. You are also the first to mention a military situation without discussing China's military build-up and assets.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, I'd just really like to hear more about your idea.

John
 
Thanks for the welcome. Lets see, where to start? I guess it would start with them taking over the Panama Canal, nice foothold there both economical and militarily if it comes to that. Our scrap iron steel prices have been sky high, they have been buying everything we will sell (deja vu, pre wwII), They have been buying up our debt like crazy. Now congress has been looking into putting a tariff on their products because of recent dumping of their products on our markets. And last but not least, they are in a phase of a large military buildup. Now it might just be my imagination, but why would they be building up their military, are they afraid of N.Korea, I don't think so. jmho
 
Well Augustus,

That is a start, but that still has no bearing on "conflict with China by 2025".

Maybe they are worried about their neighbors. You know Russia is just "down the road", and India is now a nuclear nation. India and China have NEVER really gotten along...

Please enlighten us more. If you have any more facts.
 
Now it is true that China has more border worries than we do.
India has been a nuclear country for some time.
China has been making some trade inroads into the CIS. Russia doesn't like that. Remember, if it were not for the Korean War and Viet Nam War China and Russia would have split earlier than they did - China never did like Russia/Soviets, but saw them as a source of technology and military expertise.
 
BreacherUp!

The styles of government are null. Red China is more concerned with us placing ballistic missiles in Japan than they are worried about preserving N. Korea. If anyone performs a military action against N. Korea, it will be China.

Only problem I have with China is how they treat their citizens, but yeah. Oh, and the fact that our Military willingly buys stuff from them..

As for the PWC, I like most of the info there, though I believe that the Murray building was a Muslim plot, not something kook fringe :p
 
We will be in armed conflict with China by 2025.
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Yep I agree.
Thing is, when we team up with them for that armed conflict, who are we going to go after?
My guess is that it will be some form of combined "Muslim Nation".

The potential purchase of Unocal is disturbing
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{gallows humor?}Naw,,in too many way's it's a perfect fit. UNOCAL = Union Oil of California. Stands to reason Commie-fornia would have some kind of ties with the other Commie-superpower. :D
 
BreacherUp!
Your opinion that I am out of my arena. I never said that AQ would occupy China, nobody said that until you did. There was another poster who stated that China has a growing problem with Muslim insurgency in their western provinces and you didn't post a rude reply to him. I was simply making the point that "terrorist" groups don't mark out a great big X on the ground through their hideouts, and then send a map to whoever is trying to get them. You may be right that "The Muslims are a miniscule problem" and that "the Chinese will massacre the **** out of some Salafis trying to blow up the goat farm" I was simply pointing out the obvious fact as demonstrated by recent history (and could have added our own country's experience) that you can spend an awful lot of time and money trying to hunt down terrorists.

bergie
 
A story specifically related to thread's topic.

http://www.washtimes.com/specialreport/20050626-122138-1088r.htm

China's economy has been growing at a rate of at least 10 percent for each of the past 10 years, providing the country's military with the needed funds for modernization.
The combination of a vibrant centralized economy, growing military and increasingly fervent nationalism has transformed China into what many defense officials view as a fascist state.
"We may be seeing in China the first true fascist society on the model of Nazi Germany, where you have this incredible resource base in a commercial economy with strong nationalism, which the military was able to reach into and ramp up incredible production," a senior defense official said.
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We should try to get along. Let's hope Taiwan and China can come to some deal, like a merger of the two with the latter maintaining independence under some sham acknowledgement of Mainland sovereignity.

There is no good solution to fighting them in a pre-emptive way. We simply are not strong enough.

We are going to live in a multipower world. Let's just hope the major powers can realize that we are interdependent and act accordingly. Once China feels secure in establishing it's power position in Asia, then perhaps we can relax, if they are not military aggressive.

As far as economics, it's our capitalist bosses that are selling out to them, just as they do nothing to stop illegal immigration.

I've read about China's military buildup, one goal to make sure that US Naval forces can easily attack the mainland. Any reasonable country would do that. India has the same strategy. After we send a carrier group to support Pakistan in 1971, they wanted local control of their own waters and acted accordingly.

No powerful country wants to feel that they can intimidate by two carriers. We have to live with that.

The other option is WWIII over Wal-Mart - I'm not up for that.

Despite all the nervous Nellies, I doubt we will ever see conventional transoceanic attacks.

If we need to compete economically, the fault is in ourselves if we lose. I can compared my experience with my Ford vs. my Honda. We are not looking at new Fords.
 
It is absolutely rediculous to criticize Chinese's military spending which does not even match 10% (or 1%?) of what US has spent. Who has threatened US? Oh yeah, the US just invaded a country which has no WMD, no link to terrorists, no threat to US safety, but has lots oil. Speaking of greed!!

Come back to China, it is also absolutely stupid to start a war with anything like China. Don't even think about it until the day US can intercept every nuke fired from China. Only morons would believe that China would still stay in a conventional war when their people being slaughtered by US mighty military.

The best way is to deal with it via economic way which will benefit both.
 
Taiwan is part of China and it is China's internal affair. There's no statement in the Chinese constitution saying that any part of China can go independent. Legally, it is not doable.

US has no business getting involved in Taiwan should China decide to take it over using military force. Why should US sacrifice its boys and girls for some other country's internal affair and get involved in an all out war with a mighty country like China who can dump 20 nukes all over USA?
 
And thus, we know why your user name is "Stupid".

Tiawan is a free country.. it was part of the Republic of China before the revolution, and it still is the ROC. So, if you want to talk legalities of Tiawan and the PRC, it would be the PRC that is illegal.

Also, instead of begging for aid like the Israeli's, the ROC has offered to BUY defensive weapon technology from us. Not offensive, but defensive. The PRC has hundreds of cruise missiles aimed at the Taiwan, they need the defense, and they want to buy it.

You know what would really cause Red China to act against N. Korea? Telling them that unless they take care of ol' Kim, that we plan to base ICBMs out of Taiwan.

And, Stupid, your one of those types that believes that 200,00 Kurds were not enough and Saddam needs another chance. You are a twisted individual.
 
China is in a position to swallow us whole economically as long as our government is selling us out to them. They are well down that road already, and being "trading partners" now has no bearing on future relations as their compound increases in appetites for things like oil, gas, steel etc drive the prices higher and higher.
 
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