What, if anything to do about China?

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CarbineCaleb

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So, China has been in the news a lot lately... they have gone on to rapidly become the world's #2 economy in terms of GDP.

The current US adminstration is sending conflicting messages... Condi Rice is pointing out that relations between the US are going very well, perhaps better than ever before... Don Rumsfeld is pointing at their military spending, and asking why they need a military like that... noone is threatening them, basically questioning their motives and rights to have a strong military. US businesses are plugging into China like never before, yet the US administration complains about the Chinese currency, and "unfair competition" from Chinese exports.

So my questions are - regarding either military or economy, is China a true "threat"... that must be dealt with? What, if anything, should we do about them?
 
China is trying to buy UnoCal even as we speak....

Yes China is an economic and military threat. However, they have aquired the disease of greed and industry. Industrial growth means letting the west into China who then mingle with the citizens of China. Which means an exchange of ideas and information....which is bad in the long run for an authoritarian regime.

China wants Tiawan back and wants to become a power in the world. The problem with Tiawan is that the Tiawan Capatalists have a lot of money tied up on the mainland because of limited resources. Tiawan is China's Brer Rabbit, once they wrap there arms around him it could have dire economic results among other bad things. I sense a lot of posturing and saber rattling going on. However, our nation is proof that a person can get in office and bad things happen.....so who is to say some powerful Chinese guy cant get a wild hair up his arse and do something stupid.

Crap happens...

Dont forget the Russians also...they are on the top of the hill, but could roll back down again.
 
China is a quandry. OTOH, they have economc development unfetterred by EPA or restrictions on much of anything including copyrights. I saw a Chinese Coty 4-dr sedan that seems a perfect clone of the Ford 500 sedan. The oval grille badge was even copied. The state has resources, labour and finances to throw into foreign investment. Why? China has no EPA or government restrictions on investments. China does bear watching. Are they a threat? Depends on whether you need a $19.00 DVD player.
 
Its hard to sell those $19.00 dollar DVD players to a nation you declare war on also...so its kind of a double edged sword. You never know when the Wild Card is going to jump out either
 
True! Why bite the hand that feeds you? China is providing more consumer goods at a imbalanced trade price and supply. The US is a consumer nation that needs imports to survive. Odd partnership but, there it is. We have been heading down this road since the mid-50s. We buy more than we make. They make but, cannot afford to buy. Imports are needed in the US and China knows it. I would like to see more firearms clones from China as we have from Italy.
 
They have a Muslim insurgency (real one) problem in the western provinces, if you want to find threats.
We would tend to list world economic interests as reasons for having military bases overseas, as well as a reason to have the world's largest spending on military resources.
China would also say that it is their perogative to modernize their military.

The truth is any sovereign nation has the right to decide what size their military should be. That part is a garbage arguement.
It is something that should be watched and nothing keeps us from preparing.

I wouldn't depend on the fact that we do buisness with them to keep China from ever having a war with us. However trade does mean increased interaction as well as the exchange of ideas. The re-intergration of Hong Kong, full of capitalists, also accomplishes this. That is why every administration gives China most-favored-nation trade status.

When you wonder why we have the Vietnamese visit the White House and wonder why we would want increased trade with them, look at China. Viet Nam is to the southwest of China. Our agreement allows (might be in negotiation) us to dock warships in Viet Nam, as we used to be able to do in Hong Kong. Viet Nam remembers about a third of there history was under Chinese rule.
We also have an Air Force base in Central Asia, I forget the name of the country. This gives a base of operations against a resurgent Russia, Middle Eastern countries, and China.
 
I believe we have more of an ally in China than enemy. They are economically dependent on us. Also, we have several common enemies including the North Koreans and Muslims.

Real threat lies in the Islamofacists here and abroad, and the commu-femi-nazis here, like Turbin Durbin, Teddy Kennedy, and Hillary.
 
Also, we have several common enemies including the North Koreans and Muslims.

Real threat lies in the Islamofacists here and abroad, and the commu-femi-nazis here, like Turbin Durbin, Teddy Kennedy, and Hillary.
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You know what, Jonathon. I have not tried to respond to yuor utter BS, but I cannot any longer. Whre in the hell do you get your garbage? "US Militia Weekly?"
(Alarm bell). N. Korea, though a thorn in China's side, is like the Eastern Bloc to the USSR. It is a shield to thwart us.
The Muslims are a miniscule problem to the Chinese, Why? One: the Chinese will massacre the **** out of some Salafis trying to blow up the goat farm in nothern Nepal. Two: No mujahids or financiers are going to put a lot of money into a place where there will be no coverage of death, like Mongolia.
Come on, you're speaking out of your ass.
Oh, BTW, read your little "Patriot's College." Come on, sh*tstick, The ARMY blew up the Murray building?
Have you bought this years' spring Aluminum hats? They're all the talk!
 
Well, I'm hardly a scholar, but, I do observe. While China is certainly a growing economic power, it has astounding internal complexities. It's a huge country that has only since 1948 kept control over a vast array of regional, ethnic and culturally diverse peoples via fear and repression. China has embarked upon a path that cannot be maintained. China is attempting to engage capitalism while maintaining it's Maoist central government. As the Chinese become more inured to capitalism and the freedom it brings, they will become more disdainful of the fogyism of the Maoist central government. The young people of China want freedom. They want what Hong Kong, Taiwan and Japan have. China will implode as surely as the Soviet Union did.
 
I'll agree with that .I recently talked to a friend who just came back after a year in China. Things are changing their very fast. They are ,like others have, ignoring environmental and health issues in their rush to industrialize.They will pay for that later.They have also become a significant consumer also.
 
they have gone on to rapidly become the world's #2 economy in terms of GDP
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Not in terms of ordinary GDP, only in terms of GDP as measured by Purchasing Power Parity...If you look at the standard GDP they are pretty even with Italy, a G7 nation with only 57 million people versus 1.2 billion for China...
 
The state has resources, labour and finances to throw into foreign investment. Why? China has no EPA or government restrictions on investments. China does bear watching. Are they a threat? Depends on whether you need a $19.00 DVD player.
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The other reason is that most Chinese business is owned by units of their military, with the profit going back to their military.
The lives of the people are not being enhanced by the country's economic prosperity only the quality of their military machine.
The problem alot of Americans have is that we tend to judge other cultures by our own and this rarely works out well.
It may not be a biting the feeding hand situation at all. It may be a use them til we're strong enough to crush them situation.
Picture Al Queda with a real government behind them with real military assets.
The best I hope for is another cold war starting in the next 10 years.
 
We use the Chinese and the Chinese use us.

We send them our ability to produce goods and services; they send us capital. They increase their wealth; we increase our debt. We build houses with their money; they supply the contents of our houses.

Sounds like the perfect world, right? They produce; we consume. Business relationship, right. Maybe so, right until national aspirations intrude then things get different.

China is not a healthy economy destined to rule the world. It is a fractured, divided, corrupt society run for the benefit of the comparative few. Fault lines exist through their society and we make a huge mistake viewing them as monolithic.

Two little factoids I've seen that get little play. Factoid 1--the largest purchaser of US collateralized mortgages is China. Put another way China is loaning the money for the US to buy houses. Factoid 2--according to Time Mag (IIRC) not a single bank in China is solvent, by US standards.

I'll leave it to the reader to construct a very simple financial SHTF scenario.
 
First,

BreacherUp!, your attack on jonathon was uncalled for. He was expressing his ideas on the subject. If he bothers you so much, why don't you just put him on ignore.

Second,

Right now I think that China understands that helping us is in their best interest. They are not going to attack a country that is their main source of income. You can't maintain your army or your government if you close the bank that is supporting them.

Our best interests is to maintain our "alliance" with them as long as North Korea is still beating it's war drum. As history has shown, when in a time of need, even enemies will join together to put down a threat to both of them.

Wayne
 
BreacherUp!

The Muslims are a miniscule problem to the Chinese, Why? One: the Chinese will massacre the **** out of some Salafis trying to blow up the goat farm in nothern Nepal. Two: No mujahids or financiers are going to put a lot of money into a place where there will be no coverage of death, like Mongolia.
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Just like the Soviets spent how many years chasing those same goat terrorists around that pile of rocks called Afghanistan with only the occasional blurb on the 6:00 news.

bergie
 
China's abilty to build and keep any form of defense mechanism is up to China, we have no right saying China's building up of their armed forces is a threat, the only thing we could do is be ready to counteract an attack, deplete an offensive.

Restricting the right for self defense is what we as gun owners push so hard to overcome. Trying to strip a country as powerfull as China of it's ability to defend it's self will lead to major conflict.
 
I believe we have more of an ally in China than enemy. They are economically dependent on us. Also, we have several common enemies including the North Koreans and Muslims.
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Did we declare war on Muslimia and no one told me?????
 
Bergie, you are out of your arena. You are comparing apples to oranges. The Soviets were an occupying force in a country whose history has shown that occupiers are never welcome, and never successful.
AQ occupying China. Come on.
 
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