what does everyone use in there HD shotgun?

Bird shot has its uses

I keep 00 buck as my primarily defense round, and it is more common as far as getting it locally. I do have a much smaller amount of slugs around in case of an unusual situation that calls for it. Birdshot may be used in some defense situations, but is definitely easier on the wallet at the range compared to buckshot.
 
Shells. In the gun, the first 3 are Rem. 3" mag in #2 steel shot, followed by 2 of Rem. 3" mag with #4 buck. Just for fun, I shot a 24 oz. propane cylinder at 25 ft. with a 2-3/4" heavy load of #4 lead. There were 8 penetration points, and the thing flew about 60 feet (empty when hit). Inside a room, it doesn't matter what load you use. Even the cheap field loads with 7-1/2 shot will make a ghastly mess of a man, and will be much more recoverable if you have to keep shooting. These threads really do get way too much air time.
 
As far as the OP question goes, 00 buck. In rgards to the poster who keeps a less lethal round as the first one in the gun, I recently spoke with one of our lead Felony intake attorneys in my area (Central Florida...10th Judicial to be exact) in regards to this on behalf of a friend. He reccommended against it legally. In FL, discharging a firearm is generally considered to be lethal force whether or not you intended to kill the person or not. If someone is in your house,shooting them with a less lethal round could expose you to more trouble then just doing it the right way to begin with in that the question will be "if you didn't feel that your life was in danger, then why did you fire the weapon at all?" as you can only use deadly force if you feel that your life is in danger. We don't use it to scare people. Would you be prosecuted? Probably not but the circumstances will of course dictate that. The civil end is where you may get hosed by the bad guy and his attorney.


In FL at least, if someone breaks into your house, it's basically game on.

Now, your local laws will of course vary and this is by no means a binding decision. It's simply an opinion from a pretty good prosecutor who has been around the block several time is also very 2A friendly (I've been shooting with him several times). LEO's have policies written for the deployment of less lethal rounds but they are never deployed without a back up standing by with a lethal force option as sometimes, all those beanbags do is **** a bad guy off. YMMV, It's just something to consider.
 
Bird shot has its uses
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Yes, it does. For birds ;)

As far as the OP question goes, 00 buck. In rgards to the poster who keeps a less lethal round as the first one in the gun, I recently spoke with one of our lead Felony intake attorneys in my area (Central Florida...10th Judicial to be exact) in regards to this on behalf of a friend. He reccommended against it legally.
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In LFI-1 and 2, Ayoob's recommendation followed that of your attorney friend. Shooting at someone is lethal force. If you are justified in shooting at them, then use standard ammunition. If you are not justified in shooting at them, then don't.
 
18.5 " barrel

Remington 12 gauge, 2 3/4 length, 1200 velocity, 8 pellets, 00bk (managed-recoil buckshot-- lower recoil)
 
I guess I'm the odd man out. I keep 2 3/4" slugs in & on my short barreled shotty. I lost my confidence in 00 Bucks ability ever since the April 17 1993 shooting of a suspect (Eugene Baylis), who walked into Jim & I's bar with a AK-47 and started shooting people. He killed two IIRC.
Police showed up and shot him with 00 Buck at around 15-20 yds and while it did stop him for the moment...they printed a pic of him with multiple band-aids on his head in court a week or so later. I thought ***? shot in the head with buckshot and he's up and around a week later?

Slugs for me thanks.

(They aquitted this guy in a retrial a few years ago and bought defensive use of a (illegal) full auto AK-47 at the door of the bar!!!) Wow.
 
I use slugs as well,but i have a rifled slug barrel.I use winchester x 3 inch for hunting and 2 3/4 winchester managed recoil slugs for hd.
 
Police showed up and shot him with 00 Buck at around 15-20 yds and while it did stop him for the moment...they printed a pic of him with multiple band-aids on his head in court a week or so later. I thought ***? shot in the head with buckshot and he's up and around a week later?
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There is no way that someone can be shot in the head with buckshot at that distance and survive unless they're wearing a steel helmet. I don't know the circumstances or what happened there, but that in no way reflects the real world performance of buckshot.

I'll repeat: at home defense distances, any kind of shell is going to be devastating. The shot size doesn't matter much when you're putting a hole clear through your target.
 
Skulls are notoriously hard to penetrate. It's not suprising to me at all.
I know of one instance where a man commited suicide by putting a 12 ga loaded with 00 buck in his mouth and pulling the trigger. The shot did not exit the skull.
.38 specials are notorious for not penetrating skulls.
 
Gents, I just couldn't keep quite anymore. Been kinda a read and let live kinda guy for the most part as this bein me first post on this site.... but enough is enough... I can't believe how common opinion for HD shotgun is 00Buck!? Why!? It's SELF DEFENSE! What is the absolute most lethal threat stopping round an American Man can arm himself with? HV Slug of course! Name another, I double dog dare ya! It 1/16 of a lb at 1200 fps! HELLO! This isn't 'hunting' it's personel/family defence! Should you not be be armed with all you can? If you were the perp and you could pick, woulndt you 'kinda' prefer buck? And one could argu its as safe a bet to call it a one shot stop. Will I give him the chance to "think" about it? Probably not. Most of you picked oo buck, but why?!!! Cause it's the biggest 'shot' to shoot? (2 most leathal). Makes less sence than tits on a bull. I'm surgical with slugs, did 3 circumsisions this week alone. You don't NEED "spread" in your house even in the dark. (And don't hold ya breath cause ya ain't gettin it anyway no matter what comes out your tube) You need your shots to count! Ill push through a motha F'r crouched behind my Fridge if need be. NOTHING stops slugs. Nothing! Please save us all the head ach about over-penatration/family. Do your home work. Even bird shot penatrates too far in a house and if you ignored the 5th safety rule about what lies beyong your target you'l be in for a rude surprise. He's in my house/ he's gonna have a closed casket. Period. I mean its as if ya'l are all worried about the lawyers... I'm worried about shooting him hefore he shoots me! What if ya just 'wing' him in the weak shoulder with just 2 pellets? He gets his shot off in your chest. Ya 'wing' him with a slug and the fights over he's missing somethin. I hope I just saved some of your lives. God Bless.
 
The only reason I opt for 00 buck over slug is the fact that a pass thru in a soft spot of the body could leave the slug with enuff terminal energy to still kill easily after penetrating a wall. I feel the 00 would have had enuff energy shaved off to be pretty much neutered after a pass thru.
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The only reason I opt for 00 buck over slug is the fact that a pass thru in a soft spot of the body could leave the slug with enuff terminal energy to still kill easily after penetrating a wall. I feel the 00 would have had enuff energy shaved off to be pretty much neutered after a pass thru.
Brent
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