Wal-Mart bashing?

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If you look on a map there is the notation "MoN" next to Kimball which means "Middle of Nowhere". :D

There is not much to see there unless you are on a tour of the nuclear missle silos. I've attached a photo I took of one of the missle support vehicles which go past the motel at least once a week. The one in the picture was loaded and had an escort of four humvees (shown) with chainguns and M-60s mounted as well as a Huey gunship overhead.
 

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Jeez Rim he is working hard paying his bills and hopefully enjoying life outside of work. He doesn't seem to hate going to work.
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I don't hate Wal mart employees I hurt for them.
I'm not real high on those that call folks who work under collective bargaining agreements as corrupt!
One thing about this country..you're free to be wealthy ..your free to be poor. Just don't step on other folks parts in the process.

Wal-Mart store managers do OK, I knew one in the 1980's who was earning 80K, I wouldn't classify that as "working poor". (Who coined that term, "working poor", anyway?)
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Probably the guy's who helped bring it to fruition The 1994 Rep Congress.
pip there's only one manager per umteen employees.
That said, I am a Cashier at the new Super Wal-Mart in Longmont, CO so stop in some time and say "Hi!" I am the only male cashier working days so I'm easy to find.
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The Working Poor, brought to you by Walmart! Keeping wage earners hungry and non union since 1975.
Pipo, I'm talking the treatment of clerks which is what our friend jimpeel is.
...and jim the food giants you mentioned have all just recently stripped their employess of many health benefits citeing Walmart as their justification.

Let's see who can work for the least amount of $$ before we die!

pipo, I know you mean well but I've seen too many tragedies as a result of jimpeel's et al philosophy. He's entitle to work for free but his chioces effect others who would rather get paid for their knowledge and labor!
Next Wally stop the wonderful world of banking and financials!:eek:

Rimrock
 
thanks jim, glad to see someone who knows how to let things roll...that being said, walmart is the devil. Not because of any tinfoil hatters, disgruntled ex-mangager stories, videos, picketers, or websites...they're just evil. They represent all that is soulless and wrong. But have fun in your manager's chair when ya get there one day, and you will, cuz you're that kinda guy.



wait, i've got something I can reasonable contest...as for bringing jobs with walmart, are not almost twice as many jobs lost by walmart selling so much foreign crap? aren't the american flags in your walmart made in china? low prices are one thing but at what cost? I remember back when walmart was proudly proclaiming it's 'all american' stance, lately I haven't seen so much red white n blue in there...
 
It seems to me that the "collective bargaining system" and Wal-Marts purchasing practices are very, very similar.

Collective bargaining makes demands of the employer. If the employer doesn't satisfy the demands, no matter how unreasonable, the workers walk off the job.

Wal-Mart makes demands of its suppliers, sometimes unreasonable. If the supplier doesn't meet the demands they quit selling their products.

How is one any different than the other?
 
Rimrock

I don't hate Wal mart employees I hurt for them.
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Then why have you been giving me a virtual rimjob since I came on here? Remember this?
Maybe if you're real good they'll employ your offspring. Make it a family tradition!
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or this?
If you like Wally you'll love a good Chinese prison. Heck you just one step removed now!
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The Working Poor, brought to you by Walmart! Keeping wage earners hungry and non union since 1975.
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Spoken like a true unionist. I get the feeling that the non-union part about Wal-Mart is what galls you.
I'm not real high on those that call folks who work under collective bargaining agreements as corrupt!
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Ah, ah, ah now. Stop bending my words. I said the UNIONS are corrupt, not the workers.

As for corruption, why don't you ask the Yablonski family about that. Oh ... yeah ... I forgot. They're dead.
http://www.lutins.org/labor.html
5 January 1970
Joseph A. Yablonski, unsuccessful reform candidate to unseat "Tough Tony" Boyle as President of the United Mine Workers, was murdered, along with his wife and daughter, in their Clarksville, Pennsylvania home by assassins acting on Boyle's orders. Boyle was later convicted of the killing. West Virginia miners went on strike the following day in protest.
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You seem like a quick study so why don't you take a gander at this page http://www.nlpc.org/artindx.asp and then try hoisting your non-corruption argument again.
 
Collective bargaining makes demands of the employer. If the employer doesn't satisfy the demands, no matter how unreasonable, the workers walk off the job.
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pipo,
You've obviously had a bad experience with bargaining. I have not.
Collective bargaining is as American as apple pie. Without it there would be no middle class. Just rich and slave poor. Think about it!
The collective bargaining process is one of give and take at a free market table. A business that agrees to more than their ability to pay is irresponsible to themselves and or their stockholders. The law provides for many remedies when "impass" is reached in bargaining. Employers on the mat yelling no mas can simply validate their position with accounting evidence. No union, employer or bargaining process remains viable if that process is falsely weighted.
As Abraham Lincoln said.."Only a fool attempts to come between a man and his union."
Consider for a moment that the plite of these companies you've often referred to was the fault of short sited management over decades.
I know it's easier to blame a simple working stiff for being such a brute but it just "ain't so!

Rimrock
 
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wait, i've got something I can reasonable contest...as for bringing jobs with walmart, are not almost twice as many jobs lost by walmart selling so much foreign crap? aren't the american flags in your walmart made in china? low prices are one thing but at what cost? I remember back when walmart was proudly proclaiming it's 'all american' stance, lately I haven't seen so much red white n blue in there...
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All you have to do is to ignore all of the insourced jobs that have come to America which pay American workers union wages like Honda, and other foreign car manufacturers. The fact is that more jobs are being created by foreign insourcing than have been "lost" by outsourcing.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba480/

As for the "buy American" motto of Wal-Mart, there came a time when the goods simply could not be sourced from American companies. What were they supposed to do; close their doors or have only five shelves of goods?

Look at what you drive. If it isn't a foreign make, it is still made up of primarily foreign parts. Why do you think you need both an SAE and metric tool set to work on an "American" car?

The fact is that foreign companies have more exciting designs. Look at what Ford did to the Jaguar. It is a glorified Probe. Somebody stop me! I'm so excited!
 
Jimpeel.
My beef's not with your choice of employers or you as an employee. That's your right. It's not very economically prudent but none the less your right.
I'm not the one who brought up unions here and started bashing them. I think that was you.Unions of which I'm familiar are extrememly democratic and well run. No better or worse than the memberships of whom they serve.
I'm not the one attempting to establish WallyWorld as a wonderful place to prosper...that was you.
If that's how you feel then I'm sure you want to introduce you children to it as a wonderful alternative to other forms of employment.
Your disdain for unions seems somewhat extreme.
My great aunt was one of the first women union CEO's in this country. A wonderful woman who sacraficed plenty to fight those who would keep the worker down, out and poor. She's the subject of numerous public television docs and her writing on the subject are still studied today. There's bad agents everywhere, jp. Look at the wonderful world of Corp CEO's and preachers...stuff happens in all walks of life. Killers and worse are in respectable positions throughout this land...broaden your view!


I can't see you from where I live but I asure you life is good here.
I hope you aren't trampled by the wally world express.

Rimrock
 
How is one any different than the other?
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They aren't. Unions in this country these days are simply a big business in their own right.
At one point they actually did work to improve working conditions, but that day is long gone.

The Wal- Mart/Lowes/Applebees complex that went in down the road from me used an enormous amount of local union workers during the construction.
Odd how they had no moral problem working on the complex isn't it?

Unions devoured the healthy body of American industry until there was nothing left to eat. Then they turned on their members to feed some more.

I can't see you from where I live but I assure you life is good here.
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Not so here in the rust belt & remnants of the rubber industry. Unions destroyed everything. Steel - gone. Rubber - gone. Transportation - gone. Communication - gone. Heavy equipment - gone. The "Bermuda Triangle" of union influence - Cleveland, Akron/Canton/Massillon, Youngstown... Everthing's gone except the disillusioned work force.

I'm sorry, you can preach that "Unions are great" clap trap until the cows come home. I've witnessed first hand the total economic meltdown union influence has on an area. It ain't pretty.
It's a false siren's song and a path to a velvet lined prison.

AND - believe it or not,,,,I'm pro union....

Anyhow - the whole Wall/K/Super duper - whatever bash topic is beyond rediculous.
The solution is simple. If you don't like them, don't go there.

If you really don't like them,,,put your money where your mouth (or fingertips in this case) is,,,,and open your own store and go head to head with them.
 
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"millions of happy Wal-Mart shoppers"

I find this concept extremely depressing. It almost makes it sound like it's all they live for. Or have to live for.

John
 
Wal Mart is just another Lie used to lure public

and then keep on pitching.
It is modern America in action nothing more or less.
Pathetic, a country that helped save the world 60 years ago going down the drain at a very rapid pace.

We will be one of the shortest lived supreme powers on the face of the earth.

Corruption and greed are well, and running very smoothly. Sad to say the least.

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and then keep on pitching.
It is modern America in action nothing more or less.
Pathetic, a country that helped save the world 60 years ago going down the drain at a very rapid pace.

We will be one of the shortest lived supreme powers on the face of the earth.

Corruption and greed are well, and running very smoothly. Sad to say the least.
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Hard to argue with that! Our commonality which was once national and geographic based is rapidly becoming solely economic.
We had real possibilities after the 1989 fall of the "empire". That hand's been terribly misplayed.

Rimrock
 
Rimrock

My beef's not with your choice of employers or you as an employee. That's your right. It's not very economically prudent but none the less your right.
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Where I work or how much I make is none of your business. You are trying to make it your business by imposing yourself into a decision I made on my own as an adult male of the species. I didn't exactly go into this with my eyes closed.
I'm not the one who brought up unions here and started bashing them. I think that was you.Unions of which I'm familiar are extrememly democratic and well run. No better or worse than the memberships of whom they serve.
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I stated eariler that I found your defense of unions suspect and that it was the union aspect that drives you hatred of them. This was proven by this:
My great aunt was one of the first women union CEO's in this country. A wonderful woman who sacraficed plenty to fight those who would keep the worker down, out and poor. She's the subject of numerous public television docs and her writing on the subject are still studied today.
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So you have history which proves my point.

The fact remains that you support, either monetarily or vociferously, an organization that is corrupt -- which has even been sued under the R.I.C.O. Act -- and remains so to this day. Which union are/were you involved with that was such a wonderful entity? Give us the name so we can all look up, appreciate, and wonder at their immunity from the tentacles of corruption which is the hallmark of unions. Show me that your union, or its parent union, is not on the webapage at http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba/ba480/ . Fill me with awe and wonder! Make me shout "Hallelujah, mine eyes have seen the glory!!!"
 
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By the by. For those who claim that Wal-Mart shoppers and associates are unhappy people.

Tonight, as I was getting off work, there were two ladies buying a patio furniture set and a matching chaise lounge. They really had no way to get it home so I offered to take it for them as it was only a couple of blocks out of my way and I have an F-350, one ton, crew cab dually (the truck of choice for the working poor, naturally).

For the record THEY WERE HAPPY AND I WAS HAPPY TO DO IT FOR THEM

Another happy Wal-Mart moment brought to you by jimpeel. And now a word from our sponsor ...
 
jimmy, That hates gonna eat ya up. You're where you belong that's clear now. Just watch the hate and blood pressure because their "benefits" are really bad. What's that pension like....... 90 and out?
Where's that wally world charm? What are you going to do when a customer comes in and begins saying nice things about unions. Are ya gunna hit em?
Maybe someone will stop by and file a complaint on ya!:eek: Bet you're a memory before noon!
Take care of yourself ...nobody there will.

Did Walmart ever settle up with the gov't on those illegals they were using for janitoral work? IRS, Justice Dept, Dept of Labor? Or all those off the clock violations and on and on and on!

Jimbo, Maybe a 7-11 in your future! If that doesn't work out maybe something along side an illegal in one of the many sweatshops across this land doing work Americans refuse to do!
Never change!

Rimrock
 
Rimrock

I'm done. We will have to agree to disagree. I'm happy. You're happy. We're all happy.

Let's leave it that way.
 
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RR---I find it hard to understand how a poster from wonderful CA. could be chastising someone about illegals..ho ho ho
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Absent any evidence that he actively promotes or condones illegal immigration I don't believe we can hold him accountable for the actions of the state of California; many of which are federally mandated.
 
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