Vid link :Is my 9 a bear stopper? answered

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What is in this video:
Some police officers are trying to subdue what looks to me to be a moderate sized young bull or steer.
It seems the critter got a little nervous and made a break for it.
There is an officer protected by his car,the door is open.The officer could have simply got in his car.
Instead,he draws and dumps a mag into this bovine with little effect.
A few more mags are dumped into this poor critter.At the end of the vid,the bull calf/steer is still up on 3 legs and walking.
The folks filming say the "F" word a few times.

I am not posting this for shock purposes,or to make pol.ice look bad,etc.One urban guy answered his fears by shooting.If cowboys did that,beef would really be expensive.

I wrote all that to tell you what is in the vid.

The point of the video,the often debated question:Is my 9 mm with 124 gr HP's,or my .40 with Hydra Shoks,going to protect me from bears.
I think this vid pretty well answers that question.

http://youtu.be/WxREnFTaXXI
 
Sad,,,

Dang animal didn't even have horns,,,
What a chicken-livered thing to do.

That cop should be fired for that,,,
If you or I would have done the same thing,,,
We would have been hauled off to face animal cruelty charges.

Shame on him,,,
Shame I say.

Aarond
 
Well, the video description alone has convinced me that I don't want to see it. I dislike seeing animals suffer needlessly....

If the bull were to have kicked his car, even with him in it, so what: it's not a bull elephant, after all...:(
 
Pond, don't you know that when you assault an officer or his vehicle all bets are off? Livestock are most certainly not exempt.
 
Well, I know that if a deputy sheriff shot a loose cow where I grew up he would have to pay full price to replace it.

Looks like the "city" cops got a little carried away if you ask me.

When I was on a ride along with a Montana Highway Patrolman (a zillion years ago), Dave was able to chase the loose cattle back through the fence with the lights and siren. No fatalities.

P.S.

I've killed enough 4H steers with a 22 to tell you it is all about shot placement.
 
Instead,he draws and dumps a mag into this bovine with little effect.
A few more mags are dumped into this poor critter.
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I wonder how many times they actually hit their target. I'm betting the hit ratio was pretty low.

Stu
 
I think it is sad,I did not enjoy watching it.
I think the individual who started shooting is not made of the right stuff to be an LEO.I have worked in a corral separating range cows from their calves,etc and being ground crew at roundup.I am not an ag person,I just help sometimes on land I get to hunt.
I did not post the link to evaluate the action of the officer.

I have read a number of posts here asking the question "Is my 40/9mm with some expanding HP good for bear protection.If a bear confronts a person and the Glock is drawn,it may well be that the stress and precision shot placement,along with inadequate penetration due to expansion,will be similar.

So,I am looking past the sad,ugly scene to some strong evidence that few people will gain through experience.

This vid may prevent future similar unfortunate experiences.

If you want a handgun for bear or other large animal self defense,a .44 Mag or .45 Colt with heavy,hard cast bullets might help you,but 124 gr Hollow points are not likely to give good results,even 15 at a time.Some folks think that will knock the snot out of anything.This vid is for them.

They might have kids .
 
Do we know what ammunition and caliber the police are using? Do we know where the rounds landed? It seems like if the purpose of the post is to discuss the ballistics of handgun rounds, we would need to know these things.

As far as the police choosing to shoot the steer, I would have a hard time pulling the trigger on an unwounded animal unless I was threatened or had what I thought was a clear kill shot on a game animal. Once an officer wounded the steer, the others had an obligation to put it down as quickly as possible but I don't know if the initial shot was justified but once it happened, the other shots had to be fired.
 
You'll also notice one of the other officers duck behind his car as the officer fires in his direction as the steer runs away. I guess no one ever explained to that officer that he owns every one of those bullets once they leave that barrel. Extrememly bad form.
 
Officer should be sufficiently disciplined for the suffering caused to the animal--Surely more appropriate measures could have been take. Heinous!
 
It looked to me like that shooting was completely unjustified, it was actually quite sad to watch. I really hope that cop gets disciplined severely for his lack of sound judgement.
 
Yes from the video it seems there was no reason to shoot the cow and the cops involved should be punished. However, a cow is food. I'm sure it was properly put down soon after. I'm going to have a hamburger now.
 
Yes, a cow is food, I grew up running beef cattle. But come slaughter time we didn't walk out into the lots and start spraying bullets every which way. It's irresponsible and a police officer should know better.
 
2DAMNOLDFORTHIS, speaks volumes. I didnt listen to the video but I doubt that caliber and bullet were being discussed while the shooting was going on. What caliber? 9mm? who ACTUALLY knows? What bullet? Where were the bullets placed? How many times was it hit? Twenty rounds in the guts with a 22, 9mm, 45, doesnt have much immediate effect. Assumptions are a weak arguing point.
 
I can't see a reason to shoot that animal, bad judgement on the officer's part.

Usually the officers around here have a protocol. Unless an animal is attacking someone, they call animal control. And in the case of livestock, like a bull, they evacuate people and stay out of it's way.


Ugh - this guy putting rounds into that bull - looks like a Ronnie Barnhardt got on the force.

But there is no indication of what caliber he is using... what's the point?
 
I did not watch the video. The OP description and other posts are enough to have an accurate idea as to what happened, and I detest inhumane acts.

jglsprings is correct regarding a .22 and proper shot placement for cattle. We have done many cattle with a .22.

IMO, the OP is also correct regarding a non-hunting caliber, load and bullet being used on a moving animal and expecting a fair sized animal to be stopped.

There are good LEO and there are poor LEO. I personally know several and some are good friends. Not every LEO is incompetent, has a chip on their shoulder with an attitude and an itchy trigger finger or has not received proper training. From what I have read, IMO this LEO should not even be on the streets with a firearm.
 
that's just horrible, just foolish and irresponsible. and the ballistic information and knowledge gained are nil.
 
Let's forget the fact that the cop shouldn't have shot it in the first place for a second.
Let's also forget the fact that he's a down right terribly inaccurate shooter.

What really bothers me is the fact that he was tracking the bovine with his pistol with no care to the world as to what was directly beside or behind his target. You shouldn't make your fellow officers crouch behind their squad cars to escape your 'rampage' against an animal which is simply loose. Plus, don't cops usually have long guns, iff it truly was necessary to put it down at that early point in time, wouldn't there still have been enough time to pull out a shotgun and insert some slugs, and make a clean, careful, accurate shot

Horrible on all counts.

Regarding caliber choices in regards to bears and other dangerous creatures, what this proves more than anything is that you have to know where to shoot an animal to stop and be capable of doing it in a stressful situation. Not just shooting an animals butt and legs and ears and tail and everything else of no lifeneeding importance.
 
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Interesting feedback.

I did not intend for this to be too much about the officer.I suppose if there is a busy hiway 100 yds away or something,the beef could cause a wreck .Maybe there is something unseen,but it does seem this officer is scared of cattle and his fear went to his trigger finger.I am working at not saying too much about that.I think the guy seems not a good fit for a cops job.I say that with respect for cops.

The second officer seemed to be aiming and trying to place shots to finish it.He may not have known where to shoot.He did not get results.I think a bear might not present as good an opportunity if you had good reason to shoot the bear.

To those who say I am making assumptions about loads....

OK.So,are you saying it is unlikely these guys were using either 9mm or .40?

You think they are not using bullets designed for disabling a human target??

Tell you what.I just do not feel like arguing the point.If what you just saw does not sink in,you go right ahead and carry your 9 mm with LE loads,or your 40 with LE loads.Good luck.I do not think its good to do that to a bear,either,even if he's eating your bucket of Col Sanders.

I think it is quite an assumption to think you'd have any better results.

And,lastly,I tried to do an honest job of describing what was in the vid so folks could make decisions about what they choose to watch.
 
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