Very Disturbing Video -- Victim mentality

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Should of straight out blasted the guy after the first punch...and then he'd be tried for murder. It's insane what the courts make you go through.
 
My question is:

Why didn't the guy just run???? Had it been me I would have jetted out that door as soon as I figured out he meant to do me harm. If he chased then the gun would have come out.
 
as opposed to staged? Its not really remarkable enough to be something you would see in a movie. The guy is really taking punches, and theres no 'hero moves' or anything worth showing off, no bloody glorified shooting like the movies. He takes one shot and the guy walks out a bit befuddled. I tend to think if it was staged, there would be more of a show (and no real punches).
 
Mike, I have to agree, thats why I asked... someone mentioned earlier about it being part of a Russian music video or something...
 
Interesting video, and a good tool for both the pro-CCW and the anti-CCW crowd.

The Pro-CCW crowd can use this to show that there are violent people that can beat your butt and then kill you, and that a butt kicking can and should be considered life threatening. It is also a tool for learning that the victim could have used the gun (assuming it was his) or even fled because he had the chance.

It's a good tool for seeing that you should keep the firearm with the magazine inserted and a round in the chamber. When you're beaten and helpless you may not have the time or ability to draw, load, and fire.

The Anti-crowd can point to it to show an example of getting your own gun used against you. This, however, overlooks the fact that the victim should have drawn and used the weapon - if this isn't an example of warranted self-defense I don't know what is.
 
That was quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever seen. I think it all goes back to, "if you are going to carry a gun then be prepared to use it." Not a whole lot of anything that makes sense on that tape.
 
someone mentioned earlier about it being part of a Russian music video or something.
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That is what my daughter, who came from Russia 5 years ago, said when I showed it to her. According to her, this Konflict group stages events, sort of like the "Jackass" stuff here in the US, then do music mixes to the event. But what do I know...I don't speak or read Russian, so I'm at her mercy for this stuff.
 
'Konflict' is the stupid music thats playing over the video. Surveilance video usually has no sound so people dub music over them.
 
I was in a bar in Germany a few years back when a couple guys walked up to another guy two stools down. They started to argue, in German. They seemed to come to a decision...one guy grabbed the guy and the other stared punching him. The bartender turned his back. The german girl I was with grabbed me and drug me out of the bar. Turns out the two guys were "enforcers" and the beaten kid owed somebody money. He didn't fight back at all, but he did try to talk, or beg, his way out of it.

This russian thing may be something similar. You don't whack a mob guy who finds you. You try to make a deal and hope he doesn't kill you or beat you too bad. If you shoot him, you might as well shoot yourself in the head with the next round.

Always carry hot, always follow the basic rules. Don't want to end up like that dumb football player who lost $20 million shooting himself in the leg.
 
If you shoot him, you might as well shot yourself in the head with the next round.
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Really? I think instead I'd take the time to get my family the heck out of dodge and then prepare and be ready for the next "mob" guy that came around.
 
In my experience, there ain't nowhere far enough to run and you can't really defend against someone hunting you unless you never leave the house.

I have watched the Sopranos thru twice!
 
In my experience, there ain't nowhere far enough to run and you can't really defend against someone hunting you unless you never leave the house.

I have watched the Sopranos thru twice!
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I think it depends on how many of your friends have combat experience...
 
I disagree with those referenced who'd say an ass-kicking isn't a proper shoot. In some cases, no, it's not, but I don't think that should be laid out as a bright line rule. Circumstance like this I think you'd be justified. Even in a "fair" fight, it's wise to deploy your resources while you still can. A fair fight means you have just as much a chance of going down as the other guy, at which time you don't know what happens. Your average scrap where you've got friends (or at least people with a conscience who can intervene) or some situational control is a different story. But anyone who's ever been in a bad situation - attacked from behind, superior numbers, dramatic disparity of size, and so forth - can tell you that things get out of hand much faster than you can process and there is no guarantee they're going to stop short of maiming you or worse.

The situation details will vary and require consideration. So will the law - it's not only death, but serious bodily harm, and in some places substantial losses of other natures that justify deadly force. I don't think it's out of line to generalize that to say: If it's at all reasonable to conclude there is a substantial chance you could require hospitalization or worse, it is probably fair to deploy what you've got when you can. That doesn't mean empty your mag immediately, but try to stabilize and defuse the situation before you lose the ability to.
 
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