Bill DeShivs
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Ultimate HD shotgun setup?
- Thread starter CO1991A1
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My first shotgun is still my favorite, and it's now been modified to be my HD gun. It's a matte finish mossberg 500 I got from a pawnshop for just under $100. I did put on the ATI AR-style stock with a shell caddy (I like pistol grips) and an aftermarket stainless 18.5" barrel, with a matte black heatshield (not to protect from heat but because it looks bad@ss against the stainless barrel). Other than that, all it has is a Surefire in a clamp. 5 rounds is all I'll need. If I need more than that, I grabbed the wrong gun!
I prefer my SD gun to be somewhere in between bird-gun and accessory-storage-facility.
I saw one with all the gizmos at the gunshop the other with a freakin' laser on it. Seriously, a laser. On a shotgun. I swear it's true.
I prefer my SD gun to be somewhere in between bird-gun and accessory-storage-facility.
I saw one with all the gizmos at the gunshop the other with a freakin' laser on it. Seriously, a laser. On a shotgun. I swear it's true.
Devils Advocate.
Re: Ultimate Shotguns.
A bigger person can shoot a smaller gun; a smaller person may not be able to use a bigger gun effectively.
Best kept secret is a 1100, Beretta 303, 390/391, Winchester 1400, and similar in 20 gauge.
BG(s) hurt the Big Person in a situation.
Ultimate Shotgun is a 12 bore, most bone stock shotguns weigh 7 - 7 1/2 pounds.
Additional accessories,with extra ammunition, can have these guns run say 11 pounds.
Big Person handles this 7 - 11 pound shotgun fine and dandy.
Has had Defensive Training Classes, Shoots 3 gun.
1. Holding that shotgun while injured, bleeding, and dialing for help.
One handed.
BG produces a weapon, makes a move toward Big Person, Male or Female, or another Person, in the family, business setting.
Can this Shotgun effectively be used to stop an immediate threat?
10 seconds, 1 minute, 3 minutes <where is help?> 5 minutes, 7 minutes...THREAT BG has a gun and is going for you, your wife, your daughter...
2. Big Person is down. I mean "down". Someone is applying pressure, BG is being kept at bay, Now smaller wife, daughter, teenage son/ daughter, brother, sister, a elderly mom, dad, grandparent, neighbor... is Having to use this Ultimate Shotgun.
Can they shoot this gun if they have to?
Can they effectively hold it on a BG(s) while dialing the phone, tossing a bath towel to stop bleeding, a first aid kit, anything?
We actually practice this. Standing there with a Shotgun, one hand, holding a dummy BG(s) at bay, dialing a phone, tossing a first aid kit...and we don't know how long we have to stand there with a shotgun before the BG(s) make a move and immediate threat has to be stopped.
There a Lot of folks on THR, TFL and elsewhere, that the Serious Shotgun is set up for the Smallest Person in a setting that might have to use not only a Shotgun, also Rifle, and Handgun.
Think out of the box.
Re: Ultimate Shotguns.
A bigger person can shoot a smaller gun; a smaller person may not be able to use a bigger gun effectively.
Best kept secret is a 1100, Beretta 303, 390/391, Winchester 1400, and similar in 20 gauge.
BG(s) hurt the Big Person in a situation.
Ultimate Shotgun is a 12 bore, most bone stock shotguns weigh 7 - 7 1/2 pounds.
Additional accessories,with extra ammunition, can have these guns run say 11 pounds.
Big Person handles this 7 - 11 pound shotgun fine and dandy.
Has had Defensive Training Classes, Shoots 3 gun.
1. Holding that shotgun while injured, bleeding, and dialing for help.
One handed.
BG produces a weapon, makes a move toward Big Person, Male or Female, or another Person, in the family, business setting.
Can this Shotgun effectively be used to stop an immediate threat?
10 seconds, 1 minute, 3 minutes <where is help?> 5 minutes, 7 minutes...THREAT BG has a gun and is going for you, your wife, your daughter...
2. Big Person is down. I mean "down". Someone is applying pressure, BG is being kept at bay, Now smaller wife, daughter, teenage son/ daughter, brother, sister, a elderly mom, dad, grandparent, neighbor... is Having to use this Ultimate Shotgun.
Can they shoot this gun if they have to?
Can they effectively hold it on a BG(s) while dialing the phone, tossing a bath towel to stop bleeding, a first aid kit, anything?
We actually practice this. Standing there with a Shotgun, one hand, holding a dummy BG(s) at bay, dialing a phone, tossing a first aid kit...and we don't know how long we have to stand there with a shotgun before the BG(s) make a move and immediate threat has to be stopped.
There a Lot of folks on THR, TFL and elsewhere, that the Serious Shotgun is set up for the Smallest Person in a setting that might have to use not only a Shotgun, also Rifle, and Handgun.
Think out of the box.
Smitty in CT
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Is this TACTICOOL enough??
KALIFORNIST
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sm I agree with most of your post but If I am injured to the point where I can't hold up a 11 pound shotgun then I doubt I will be able to hold up a 9 pound shotgun either.Thats why I believe in a handgun back up.I only live with my girlfriend and I have no kids so I dont need to set my shotgun up for anyone other then myself.my girlfriend hates recoil and will barely touch my shotgun even with birdshot so if she has to take care of herself while I am not home she will have to stick to her under powered pistol.
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Yep , we agree.
You are thinking for yourself, and not what the cover of Mall Ninja says you have to have.
I like handguns.
Easier to conceal to answer the door and so many uses.
I am just fed up with folks attempting to buy skill and targets , having a mob mentality , buying whatever is marketed that week as the gotta-haves, and not thinking for themselves
1. I accepted long ago if something takes life, someday it expires.
2. I am therefore disposable.
3 It is up to me, to delay this being disposed of.
Since nobody here has been with me when I have faced a gun situation before, pretty safe to say noone will in the future.
You are thinking for yourself, and not what the cover of Mall Ninja says you have to have.
I like handguns.
Easier to conceal to answer the door and so many uses.
I am just fed up with folks attempting to buy skill and targets , having a mob mentality , buying whatever is marketed that week as the gotta-haves, and not thinking for themselves
1. I accepted long ago if something takes life, someday it expires.
2. I am therefore disposable.
3 It is up to me, to delay this being disposed of.
Since nobody here has been with me when I have faced a gun situation before, pretty safe to say noone will in the future.
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RedneckFur
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Like others said, the ultimate HD shotgun is one you have shot until its second nature. Personally, I say forget about the accessories, leave a small lamp on in your home, and go shooting every chance ya get. I'd depend on that guy more than the guy who's got $500 in acessories on a $200 gun.
ebutler462
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Hey guys, read the post on this forum: "Have you ever...".
Excellent info from lots of knowledgeable members. It is worth reading and considering.
Excellent info from lots of knowledgeable members. It is worth reading and considering.
Guys, thank you all for sharing on this topic.
I was wanting a new bird gun / HD gun and I was getting caught up with all the bling bling on these really he-man looking guns. I like the intimidation look and think they are cool, but I know my gun will see more action during a bird season than at any other time. So, with all the excellent info posted here and my need for a multi-purpose gun that my teenage girl could also handle, I have decided on a 870 in 20 ga. with a few bling blings that it would wear during the off season.
The members here Rock !
I was wanting a new bird gun / HD gun and I was getting caught up with all the bling bling on these really he-man looking guns. I like the intimidation look and think they are cool, but I know my gun will see more action during a bird season than at any other time. So, with all the excellent info posted here and my need for a multi-purpose gun that my teenage girl could also handle, I have decided on a 870 in 20 ga. with a few bling blings that it would wear during the off season.
The members here Rock !
Well, we can have shotguns that have barrels under 18" IF they are a factory or manufactured barrel. Dlask here in canada makes 14 and 12.5" barrels for 870 shotguns 10.5 and 8.5" barreled shotgun configurations. A new and surprising development is the Dlask SMD-12; this has a 8.5" WITH pistol grip. It has been approved as a manufactured configuration. This is raising a few eyebrows as it is well below the 26" OAL limit which has previously been gospel.
I NEED one of these.
I NEED one of these.
RedneckFur
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I'd love to have one of those with a standard shoulder stock. Stupid American gun laws.... GRRR!
KALIFORNIST
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that is the coolest thing I have seen in a while