Ultimate HD shotgun setup?

That time it takes to pump the shotgun might just be the time it takes for the intruder to shoot back.
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Go shoot some clays. You will amaze yourself at how fast you can operate a pump while staying on target. Technology is a poor replacement for practice/skill.

-a light to light up the target, and
-extra capacity with an extended mag, just in case, and
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I prefer led nightlights around the house to a mounted flashlight. The idea is to get the drop on someone. The flashlight is going to give you away before you ever round a corner. I also don't want to be messing with a tail cap button when I should be focusing on my finger on the trigger guard and the threat at hand. Reduced recoil rounds would allow one to fit a bunch of rounds in a standard tube. (a good dog trumps the baddest SG)

The guys manufacturing tac accessories are making a killing on stamped steel and injection molded plastic. I resent the markup for minimal increases, and prefer to spend my money busting clays.

and dat's whot I tink
 
I've used a light in force-on-force scenarios (read, maglight mounted to my paintball gun, and boresighted, playing at night in a manzanita maize) and it ROCKED.

The whole point is to not turn the light on until a split second before you shoot. Everyone of the other team had said "I'm just gonna shoot at the light"..well, it didnt work out that way.

Also, dont house-clear on your own. If you really think someones there, you should be dialling 911, not sneaking around your house. The cops wont clear your house alone, and you shouldnt either.

Youre right on the ambient LED's scattered around the house though, and I do that.
 
12-gauge SxS double loaded with #4 buckshot for me. I'm with Hedley on this one. My granddad would approve. I'm just not interested in having an evil black shotgun.
 
Now I haven't used an autoloading shotgun but I can compare my O/U with a rem 870. I will say that the ability to fire a follow up shot without movement makes target reaquisition so much easier. Working the pump always results in the bead moving off target and having to aquire again and the follow up, if rushed, tends to be more inaccurate (which accounted for many a missed pheasant in the early days :o ). Although at close range I doubt it will matter much.
 
The Ultimate HD shotgun?

Anything held by a Shotgunner who has run a few thousand shells through it.

Bling is bling. Expertise is what will keep someone alive....
 
Any good Remington 870, Mossburg 500/590/, Maverick 88, or Winchester Defender will do the deed.

My 870 Magnum Marine has a tac-star 4 shot side saddle and that's it.
My Mossburg 590, I guess Marine with ghost ring sights (yea stainless and ghost ring sights!) has a 4 shot tac-star and speed feed stock.

Either will do. The 590 is a bit more versatal, holds a round or two more, but is longer. Again either will do.

I've owned Winchesters and Mavericks (the Winchester was a 'Marine' with rifle sights, and the 88 just plain beed. Both had tac-star side saddles (Hey, I like those four extra rounds!) Wish I had not traded them off. Both worked perfectly.
 
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Fabarm Martial Pro Forces 14", CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical, Strider Medium Hatchet. I need a light and rail for my shotgun... also might get a set of tritium inserts for the ghost ring set up. :D
 
Ideally would like a 20 gauge pump 14" SBS for this purpose.

Normally I dislike tacticool add ons, but really like the Wilson TR-11/87, all the improvements are like, say running a Les Baer against a WWII vintage GM.
I like Ghost rings I could take or leave a protruding pistol grip. I have not owned a riot gun for a while, dunno what the next will be, either in pump a 870 Marine Mag (or EHD version), 590, or Nova Tactical, or maybe go auto and find a old Benelli M-121, or something with paramilitary good looks like a LAW 12 or Krebs Saiga. But for this tool's intended purpose know I'd be best off with a simple 18-20" pump, as is.
Used to have a 500 american field grade, chopped the 28" down to 19" and at that time had the front and rear tac star pistol grips. Ended up just putting the original furnature back on, as my practical shooting was inadequate without a buttstock, and had learned techniques to make the extra overall length not a liability while moviing in tight quarters. Also had the Winny 1300 Marine Defender. I hated this gun before i even got it home or fired it, just an impulse buy, thought it looked great then after dropping the cash became the ugliest weapon ever. nothing wrong with it, just not for me. I can handle a riot gun better than most regular people i think after tons of practice, but this baby's recoil was feirce, the corncob tried to rip my pinkie off every shot and the butt was too narrow, it was a bummer to shoot a few times and i could shoot 00 and slugs all day with the sawed off Mossberg. I tried a Pachmayr pg to spare my fingers and shoulder but traded it in anyway shortly after. It was a lot tighter and easier to maintain than the 500 however.
 
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All of this is interesting but,

My wife has a 590 (a gift from my brother for work done on his house in the 80's) that she knows and loves.

My Mom has a 70's 1100 with a remington 21" barrel that she knows and loves (all 71 year old 4'-10 1/2" of her).
Both are very dangerous women if you are a bad man on our property and I'm not around.

But the bottom line has already been said in post #25. That sums it up 100%.
Run several thousand rounds thru that gun and I don't care what it is, how black it is, how much stuff is hanging off it, you are a very dangerous threat to the bad guy.

JTMcC.
 
At some point, you DO have to draw the line - at some point, less is more. If you accessorize to the maximum extent possible, the gun will be so heavy & unwieldy that it's next to useless. But a well-chosen & implemented doodad here and there can be a bonus that is actually useful, and worth the tradeoff in bulkiness & weight. E.g. a sidesaddle OR a buttstock round holder OR an extended mag might make sense, but not 2 of the 3, and definitely not all 3.

A pic of the Saiga 12 will soon be forthcoming... 10 round mags, ace folding stock w/P-grip, BP02 mount, Armson OEG sight, FAB Defense "T-Grip" unit - forward vertical grip with Surefire 6Z on tac forearm piece w/rail.
 
Another thing

The Ultimate HD shotgun?

Anything held by a Shotgunner who has run a few thousand shells through it.

Bling is bling. Expertise is what will keep someone alive
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I don't disagree that experience is invaluable. But to then extent that you are implying that the 'tacticool' guns are worthless (you seem to be), then allow me to dramatize my point: I'll tell you what. You pick any shotgunner with a single shot that he's run a few thousand rounds through, and I'll use my Saiga which I have maybe 30 or 40 rounds through so far, and I'd take him on any day of the week, and twice on Sundays, when starting at distance or both behind cover. While your guy is busy 'expertising' (i.e trying to get his one precise shot off, or trying to reload with debris raining down all around him), I'm laying down 6 or 7 covering fire shots to keep his head down while I approach, and still have 4 or 5 shots to finish him off. Let's get real folks, please....
 
exactly- a defensive shotgun should be fast handling FIRST. Why some people seem to think it should be a crew-served monstrosity is beyond me. Wait, no, it isnt- some people care more about how thier shotgun looks than how lethal they can be with the first two or three shots...there, I said it.

Bling is no substitute for ability.
 
well I am new school then cause I like all the tacky bolt on things.I prefer my shotgun to be heavy and steady.I have practiced alot with my 870 plane jane and then alot with all the stuff added.side saddle,pistol grip stock and forend ... and I can shoot multiple shots alot faster now due to the reduction in recoil.With the extra weight 3 inch shells feel like reduced recoil 2 and 3/4.All that said though I call my shotgun the zombie killer and I actually mean it so dont listen to me.
 
Mossberg 500a 18.5" 6-shot. I have a few thousand target loads through it, and my squad took 1st in the SCTP youth skeet shooting competition in the senior experienced division. I used the previously mentioned mossberg.

I have removed the front bead, and put a shell saddle on the stock with 6 rounds of 00buck. I will also be getting a heatshield since it is mainly my skeet gun and that barrel can really heat up!:D
 
Ive always wondering if the side saddle shell holders are a bit of overkill...My defender holds 8 rounds of buckshot, i think if i couldnt take care of pretty much anything with that lot, id take the guys gun and shoot myself in the ass!
Even a 5 shot duck guns gonna be able to make a person think hard about coming anywhere near you.
And i agree, no sling
 
I use bone stock shotguns; including those with barrels up to 34" long.

Currently using a H&R Youth 20 ga, with slugs.
This one come with a factory recoil pad, and the fixed modified choke shoots some of the best slug groups, #3 buckshot , and pellet patterns.

I have won "ultimate shotguns" and got rid of them for a REAL shotgun for me.
I learned to shoot the right way, without crutches.
NO beads, no sights is how I learned to shoot.
I learned to shoot bone stock shotguns that fit me. I am more versatile and not impeded by funky stocks, curb feelers and fuzzy dice.
Perceived felt recoil is lessened by gun fit, correct basic fundamentals , lessons and continued practice.

Will YOUR gun / Can YOU run the gun up and back over your head, port up and port down.

Do you have to look at your gun to operate it?

Good shooters are made, not born - Misseldine

One cannot buy skill and targets - me

Good shooters spend more money on, and have more money invested in ammunition, training, and quality practice than the firearm itself.

Give me a Shotgunner with a bone stock shotgun, bluing worn, stock scratched to watch my six over any recoil reducing , ultimate, extreme shotgun owner.

There are those that are Shotgunners, and there those that have a shotgun.
There is a difference!
 
Dirty,

The side-saddle's best attibutes is you can keep your gun half loaded to save spring tension, and top-off once you think things are going downhill. It also allows you to have, say, buckshot in the gun, and 4 to 6 slugs for longer range use on the side-saddle.

I consider it a very useful addition.
 
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