If I remember correctly, we went through this discussion on numerous threads several months ago. I am not surprised that the current posters are posing far fewer arguments than those several months ago. After all, there was very little in the way of details to crib from the recent articles discussing the "new video."
UH OH! Capt Video's Self Inflicted Wound!
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kennybs plbg
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The video although not new, it mentions a concern of the levy's being topped by the storm. This is not the same as being breeched. They are 2 totally different meanings. The press is running them together as they are one in the same. Of course if they didn't there would be no story.
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DonR101395
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Kenny, Kenny, Kenny,
That's irrelavant since it doesn't support the side of the story the liberal press wants to portray.
I find it interesting that although we did this issue already several times in several other threads the results have become well known.
FEMA screwed up.
Nagin screwed up.
Blanco screwed up.
3 well known and inarguable FACTS yet some here are so pro-republican/GWB that they'll argue against the facts in an attempt to push all the blame onto Nagin and Blanco.
Well, it weren't ALL their fault. FEMA is partly to blame and that means the fedgov is partly to blame. If fedgov is partly to blame then GWB is the head honcho who gets to be chastized for it. It's his JOB to be the guy that gets the blame.
All this about ceding states rights to the feds is just so much smoke and mirrors to try to shift all the blame onto Nagin and Blanco. But try as you may, FEMA will always be partly at fault no matter how smokey and dazzling the atmosphere gets.
And since FEMA is a creature of GWB and the fed govt, GWB gets to have some of the blame heaped on him. However, unlike the victims GWB gets to go sleep in his own bed and eat real food and drink potable water anytime he wants to. All the while doing NOTHING except make a lot of noise about how much good is being done in NOLA. You know, all those millions that have been spent while people can't even return to their homes because the trash still hasn't been removed 6 months later.
Maybe some more blame needs to be laid into the oval office.
FEMA screwed up.
Nagin screwed up.
Blanco screwed up.
3 well known and inarguable FACTS yet some here are so pro-republican/GWB that they'll argue against the facts in an attempt to push all the blame onto Nagin and Blanco.
Well, it weren't ALL their fault. FEMA is partly to blame and that means the fedgov is partly to blame. If fedgov is partly to blame then GWB is the head honcho who gets to be chastized for it. It's his JOB to be the guy that gets the blame.
All this about ceding states rights to the feds is just so much smoke and mirrors to try to shift all the blame onto Nagin and Blanco. But try as you may, FEMA will always be partly at fault no matter how smokey and dazzling the atmosphere gets.
And since FEMA is a creature of GWB and the fed govt, GWB gets to have some of the blame heaped on him. However, unlike the victims GWB gets to go sleep in his own bed and eat real food and drink potable water anytime he wants to. All the while doing NOTHING except make a lot of noise about how much good is being done in NOLA. You know, all those millions that have been spent while people can't even return to their homes because the trash still hasn't been removed 6 months later.
Maybe some more blame needs to be laid into the oval office.
Ilovemyak47
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At least nagin was THERE, up to his armpits in floodwater. He was so engrossed in trying to help he didn't get to bathe for a week! can that be said about blanco, or brownie, or bushie? Nagin was doing everything i believe he possibly could, he was stuck in the middle of it for cryin out loud...as for bush taking responsiblity, that means a whole heck of a lot to a bunch of people who are about to get evicted from the hotel they and all their worldy belongings are stayin in. How much ya wanna bet rove pulled bush over and told him to get up and 'take responsiblity'...and roll your sleeves up, it makes you look like you're workin harder that way...
kennybs plbg
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I don't think there's any room left, the dumping station is getting pretty well filled.
I would like to thank " Eghad " for posting the links above, I see some of the rules "have" changed under the new Homeland Security Act.
kenny b
Watch the history channel "Moden Marvels" engineering disaster about the Katrina disaster...uuuhhmm the only bridge into the city COLLAPSED. Feds can't get in. Poor construction and design caused the leeves to collapse. The people who are really to blame for this mess is the damn FRENCH. Why build a city in a soup bowl, surrounded by water.
This isn't quite accurate. For one thing, there is more than one way in/out of NOLA. The proof of that is the fact that they bussed all them people out of the city to Texas and points elsewhere. If the "only bridge" into the city was no longer useable by anyone, how did they bus all them people out? And if they could bus people out, they could certainly ship needed stuff in.
The news crews got in easily enough. So did the emergency people. Ambulances too. So, anyone who says that the Feds couldn't get there because the bridge was out is leaving out a large part of the real truth.
Damn Frenchies
Knew they were behind it all along.Ilovemyak47
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i think your signature is supposed to read, 'a gentleman is one who never insults someone by accident'...and as for blame being left for washington, what blame?! Who's head's rolled over this? brownie? oh, ok, well i guess that's everyone then, job's done, it was browny's fault, oh hey, who let that guy in? besides, there's been so many news cycles since then, people act like the gulf is still devastated or something...'lets not play the blame game', cuz then everybody'd deserve to lose their heads, or at least their jobs.
Well, you are mistaken. The hint about how my signature is supposed to read is that it is a bolded quotation attributed to its author.
This is something that we might agree on. I am happy to blame Bush, Chertoff, Brown, Blanco, Nagin, and many others for a lot of mistakes related to Katrina. However, whining, moaning, and finger-pointing accomplishes little. If something is not right, don't waste time seeking to blame someone - do something to fix the situation. So, what would you suggest now?
Ilovemyak47
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Vote me for dictator!!!! No really, I don't know yet...I've been wondering the exact same thing. It's such a large, deeply rooted problem that the implications of how bad the problem is truly staggering...the only thing I can think of is starting to run for local offices in the new Constitution Party. I wonder if that could be the Rx for the problem...probably just juvenille wishful thinking but still...But acknowledging the problem is a start, instead of more of the same.
Actually I have the same fantasy, except I would appoint Boortz as Minister of Advice
As were a few thousand other morons that did not heed warnings to evacuate
I don't know if that is American nature or human nature. As long as we have someone to blame we feel that we have solved a problem and no matter what is done to address a problem we cannot feel any sense of accomplishment until somebody can be pointed to as the absolute cause of the problem.
Now you fire any and everybody that was involved, possibly the very people who were close enough to the situation to actually know how to fix it, and bring in a new crop of blame takers.
Time that should be spent looking for ways to fix the problems is wasted looking for scapegoats.
Whinning
Why would anyone in their rite mind expect our Federal Government do anything in a timely maner and why would they be responsable for everyones property woe's. I live in VA and here there are still people that are not back in their houses from the last storm that hit here. Thats what insureance is for. However here people are not whinning about it and also do not expect our federal government to be responsable for it like they has something to do with it or could have changed the path of the said storm. Back in the earler years of this country you would not have expected such from our govenment. Why cant people take resposnablity for themselfs. Our government was not formed to pay people to sit a home on their butts and then collect for doing so, not to mention stupidity for not leaving lie's on their own shoulders not our goverments. Get over it!
Why would anyone in their rite mind expect our Federal Government do anything in a timely maner and why would they be responsable for everyones property woe's. I live in VA and here there are still people that are not back in their houses from the last storm that hit here. Thats what insureance is for. However here people are not whinning about it and also do not expect our federal government to be responsable for it like they has something to do with it or could have changed the path of the said storm. Back in the earler years of this country you would not have expected such from our govenment. Why cant people take resposnablity for themselfs. Our government was not formed to pay people to sit a home on their butts and then collect for doing so, not to mention stupidity for not leaving lie's on their own shoulders not our goverments. Get over it!
Ilovemyak47
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yeah, those yuppies stuck in attics deserved to be there, cuz they didn't observe those evacuation orders! And to those bums still in hotels-Get a job, you hippies, nevermind the fact that most of the contracts to rebuild are going to people from out of state, but still, you'd better get outta those hotels, you lazy slackers!
loggerhead
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Point um out please, the wrong ones of course.
DonR101395
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Same goes in Florida. We still have people displaced from Ivan. A guy that works for me just moved back into his house in Jan. That's 15 months homeless by my math. I never heard him whine once that the govt wasn't doing anything. We've got a couple of guys who still aren't back in there houses and probably won't be for another year.
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