Thousands Rally for Immigrants Across U.S.

[mthalo]

Doug,
I'll quote your entire post this time

Do it for everybody, okay. Only problem with that is it spreads manpower too thin. I prefer the state or federal officials to just go into Mexican/Hispanic neighborhoods and go door to door since Mexican other Hispanic illegals are the immediate problem here not other illegals. Discrimination isn't in and of itself a bad thing. I don't do political correctness

Sounds pretty like a realistic, carefully thought out plan.

I've tried explaining to you and everyone else more than once that I'm not comparing this to the Holocaust, because the actions being taken, but because of the actions that could potentially be taken.
I had been trying to put the Holocaust issue to rest some time ago, but then I read your posts that advocate going door to door to find the illegals, and throwing them over the border, and I realize that my views aren't the least bit far fetched.

My biggest mistake here was thinking I could explain this to people who only seem to be capable of thinking in black or white terms.
Life's colored in shades of gray, folks.

If the issue is that threatening to you, take an active role in solving what you perceive to be the problem.

 

[Savage10FP308]

Hey mthalo...

does Doug run the U.S. Government? Unless he plans to enact that plan by himself, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that isn't gonna happen. So, once and for all, do us all a favor and give your Holocaust comparisons a rest.

 

[croyance]

You are right, the unthinking cannot be convinced of anything face to face. It is fultile to deal with you in any way.
You call me an illegal alien and Mexican why? Based on my idea of rounding up illegal aliens?

There is the curioius question of why I would deal with you purely with ideas, when you started off with poorly aimed name calling.

 

[Doug.38PR]

does Doug run the U.S. Government? Unless he plans to enact that plan by himself, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that that isn't gonna happen. So, once and for all, do us all a favor and give your Holocaust comparisons a rest.

Com'on fella's,
NOTHING of what I said has anything to do with the or any kind of Holocaust.

Main Entry: ho?lo?caust
Pronunciation: 'hO-l&-"kost, 'h?- also -"k?st or 'ho-l&-kost
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French holocauste, from Late Latin holocaustum, from Greek holokauston, from neuter of holokaustos burnt whole, from hol- + kaustos burnt, from kaiein to burn -- more at CAUSTIC
1 : a sacrifice consumed by fire
2 : a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially through fire <a nuclear holocaust>
3 a often capitalized : the mass slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during World War II -- usually used with the b : a mass slaughter of people; especially

Nothing in the definition of the word even remotely comes close to having anything to do with what I said.

No, I don't control the U.S. Government ) ). No I don't forsee anything seriously being done with the illegal Mexican problem either with all the Liberals and Neo-Conservatives protecting their PC elite position inside the beltway. :barf:

 

[jcoiii]

I've tried explaining to you and everyone else more than once that I'm not comparing this to the Holocaust, because the actions being taken, but because of the actions that could potentially be taken.
I had been trying to put the Holocaust issue to rest some time ago, but then I read your posts that advocate going door to door to find the illegals, and throwing them over the border, and I realize that my views aren't the least bit far fetched.

"You're here illegally. You are under arrest and being sent back" = "You are a Jew, dig your own grave while we shoot and gas you."

Yep, I can totally agree with that comparison. I mean who can't see it?

And since you're basing the comparison on what "could" happen, well I guess we can find comparison to anything we want to anything else because "hey, it might happen."

The UN "could" invade the US to destroy all Americans.
The NRA "could" form a group of vigilantes.
I "could" go out and shoot someone tonight.

All of these things do have the potential to happen. None of them are in the least bit likely. In fact, #3 is more likely (just because I'm an LEO, not because I'm homcidal ) than the other two.

 

[Doug.38PR]

+1 jcoiii

 

[Derius_T]

mthalo wrote:

Would I be using THAT comparison if I worked for either of those two? (Oy! )

Most likely not. I meant it as a joke, and obviously you see that.

What I'm trying to point out here is that comments such as "we need to start going door to door in Mexican neighborhoods to hunt down these illegals" is nothing short of idiotic, especially within a group that is supposed to be supportive constitutional rights.

I understand that. I do not think a door to door roundup would work. BUT, that being said, it is NOT IN ANY WAY unconstitutional, seeing as how the constitution does not apply to them.

And jcoiii, you wrote:

"You're here illegally. You are under arrest and being sent back" = "You are a Jew, dig your own grave while we shoot and gas you."

You CAN'T be serious.......

 

[Doug.38PR]

You CAN'T be serious.......

He's not serious. He was displaying absurdity by being absurd

All of us who are legal citizens in this country can prove our citizenship in one way or another. Illegals can't. Since they can't, deport them. Door to door could work, and like you agree, it can be done constitutionally (especially since you noted that they don't have constitutional rights as non citizens)

 

[Savage10FP308]

Doug...

I meant nothing personal in my post. I also did not think your idea was anywhere close to the holocaust. I was just trying to get the point across that more than likely nothing will be done just as you said. Your just fine by me (not that it matters what I think).

 

[Derius_T]

Doug.38PR wrote:

He's not serious. He was displaying absurdity by being absurd

I thought as much, but it never hurts to ask.

All of us who are legal citizens in this country can prove our citizenship in one way or another. Illegals can't. Since they can't, deport them. Door to door could work, and like you agree, it can be done constitutionally (especially since you noted that they don't have constitutional rights as non citizens)

Yes, I do agree it does not IN ANY WAY violate the Constitution, as the Constitution DOES NOT APPLY o them in the 1st place. However, I think a door to door would get really messy, really fast. With people making vauge comparisons to door to doors from other countries, ect.

Remember, we have an America where people are "up in arms" so to speak about any and every little issue they don't agree with. Some people just LIVE to PROTEST every little absurd thing. Its their self appointed JOB. :barf:

I know its not right, but I would still like to line up all such people shoulder to shoulder and initiate the worlds longest 3 stooges "SLAP"!

 

[Doug.38PR]

With people making vauge comparisons to door to doors from other countries, ect.

Remember, we have an America where people are "up in arms" so to speak about any and every little issue they don't agree with. Some people just LIVE to PROTEST every little absurd thing. Its their self appointed JOB.

No doubt that's true.

But, if we don't act because of that, then we are de facto pandering to a mob (worse, pandering to it before it even starts).

Are we a nation of laws or a nation of men.

The problem is political correctness. It scares everyone into submission. We have been so indoctrinated with the idea that discrimination in any way is an evil thing. It isn't. We discriminate every day of our lives. If a robbery occurs and is commited by someone identifed as 6 ft male with black hair, the police don't go looking for short blond women. That's why racial profiling isn't a bad thing per se.
Since the immigration problem is from a specific country, we need to focus on people that originate from that country.

 

[roy reali]

Possible Solution?

We can argue many aspects of the illegal immigration problem until the cows come home. One aspect of this debate that can not be argued is the fact that the Mexican government is corrupt. That corruption should be used to our advantage.

We need to get Mexico to help with border security. We do this by promising President Fox a set amount of money in one year. I don't know what amount to throw at him, but for this discussion lets say one hundred million dollars. Now we will also deduct a set amount from this money for every illegal we catch on our side of the border. That is to offset our costs of dealing with the illegals.Lets say we deduct $20,000.00 for each one.

In other words, in one year the Mexican government will get a large check from us, minus all the deductions resulting from all the illegals we catch.
We know that any money they get will be pocketed by a handful of officials. That is the beauty of this plan.

They will secure the border if it costs them any money. They will have the Federali's lining up on their side of the border in no time with machine guns in hand.

 

[Derius_T]

Doug.38PR wrote:

Are we a nation of laws or a nation of men.

Sadly, thats up for debate nowadays....

The problem is political correctness. It scares everyone into submission. We have been so indoctrinated with the idea that discrimination in any way is an evil thing. It isn't.

Talk about hitting the nail on the head. PC is BS. PC started because people were to sissified to take a stand. Lord above, shame on us if we hurt anybody's 'feelings'. :barf:

That PC crap needs to go away, and the majority of american's need to grow a backbone, a pair, or get a clue. (maybe all three)

We had PC when I was growing up, we just called it common courtesy and respect. Thats ALL YOU NEED. Sadly, not everyone automatically DESERVES common courtesy, or respect in any form, and that is what people have forgotten.

Since the immigration problem is from a specific country, we need to focus on people that originate from that country.

Could it be said any simpler? I don't think so. I just don't understand why people are too blind, stupid, or afraid to see it.....

 

[jcoiii]

And jcoiii, you wrote:


Quote:
"You're here illegally. You are under arrest and being sent back" = "You are a Jew, dig your own grave while we shoot and gas you."


You CAN'T be serious.......

Correct, sir. Just restating a premise in it's full absurdity.

 

[mthalo]

I do not think a door to door roundup would work. BUT, that being said, it is NOT IN ANY WAY unconstitutional, seeing as how the constitution does not apply to them.

I agree. I'm more concerned that the rights of legal immigrants, and U.S.
citizens. I may be a cynic, but I have little faith that law enforcement, following the orders of our politicians, could hunt down all the illegals without leaving a lot of victims in their path.

 

[jimpeel]

Here's a good start

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12393925/

Hundreds nabbed in immigration raid
Executives, workers arrested in nationwide move against pallet maker

Updated: 7:40 p.m. ET April 19, 2006
WASHINGTON - Immigration agents arrested seven executives and hundreds of employees of a manufacturer of crates and pallets Wednesday as part of a crackdown on employers of illegal workers.

Authorities raided offices and plants of IFCO Systems in at least eight states, the culmination of a yearlong criminal investigation, law enforcement officials said.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested seven current and former IFCO Systems managers on charges they conspired to transport, harbor and encourage illegal workers to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain, said Glenn T. Suddaby, the chief federal prosecutor in Albany, N.Y., where some arrests were made.

ICE spokeswoman Jamie Zuieback confirmed an unspecified number of raids and arrests but declined to provide additional details because the investigation was continuing. One official, speaking on condition of anonymity because numbers were still being tallied, said the arrests were in the hundreds.

Raids across the U.S.
Raids took place at several locations in upstate New York and in Biglerville, Pa.; Charlotte, N.C.; Cincinnati, Houston, Phoenix, Richmond, Va., and Westborough, Mass.

"ICE has no tolerance for corporate officers who harbor illegal aliens for their work force. Today's nationwide enforcement actions show how we will use all our investigative tools to bring these individuals to justice, no matter how large or small their company," said ICE chief Julie Myers.

She and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff are expected on Thursday to lay out an immigration enforcement strategy that targets employers' disregard for immigration law.

Last week, operators of three restaurants in Baltimore pleaded guilty to similar immigration charges, while nine people affiliated with two temporary employment agencies that do business in New Jersey, Ohio and Pennsylvania were charged in a $5.3 million scheme involving the employment and harboring of illegal aliens.

Several immigration proposals pending in Congress would stiffen penalties against employers who hire illegal immigrants.

Company based in Germany
German-based IFCO Systems describes itself as the leading pallet services company in the United States, focusing on recycling millions of the wooden platforms used to stack and move all manner of goods. It operates about five dozen facilities nationwide and has been expanding steadily, according to the company's Web site.

IFCO Systems did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday.

The current and former IFCO Systems managers arrested were identified by Suddaby as: Michael Ames, 44, Shrewsbury, Mass.; Robert Belvin, 43, Clifton Park, N.Y.; Abelino Chicas, 40, Houston; Scott Dodge, 43, Albany; William Hoskins, 29, Cincinnati; James Rice, 36, Houston, and Dario Salzano, 36, Amsterdam, N.Y.

Last year, Wal-Mart stores agreed to pay $11 million to settle allegations concerning the employment and mistreatment of illegal immigrants.

Wal-Mart has maintained that top executives did not know that cleaning contractors were hiring illegal immigrants, who sometimes slept in the backs of stores. An ICE affidavit unsealed as part of that case, however, asserted that two executives were aware of the practice.

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