This gun store owner is making me buy a .45

By my count the security guard fired at least 5 rounds at point blank range so he may have had 4 in the chest and one in the butt and he still wasn't dead.

Again, the .45 guy stopped the bad guy cold.

This new .45 I bought is kinda heavy but no one said carrying Thor's hammer would be easy.
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If you want a .45, get one. (And, I guess you did.)

They don't have to be uncomfortably heavy. I've got an XDS45 in my pocket right now. It's actually a hair lighter than the same thing in 9mm.

Arguing over standard pistol chamberings and "platforms" is trying to optimize something that can't really be optimized.
 
I have recently rented some pistols while planning on purchasing an auto loader, and the .45 was my favorite. I have slender long hands and yet I shot it just fine. Better than a .40 s&w. Reminded me a lot of my .44 spl. To each their own but I definitely like that extra umph of a bigger bore cartridge.
 
Should it not be easier to stop an attacking pit bull dog than a man?

A Memphis LEO (works in a gun/pawn shop) told me in person that he used a Dozen jhp .45 rounds to stop the dog.
He claimed that all shots went into the dog.
 
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That's why you have to shoot first ask questions later at these thugs because half of them are either on something or meth or too sorry to work and just looking to rob someone. No sympathy for thieves.
 
I just think it's funny what people will believe against physics if you offer them cheap ammo.
Since I load my own and have for many years I choose what I believe based on common sense, a bowling ball flying through the air at 200 FPS is very obviously more likely to bring a bad guy's day to an end instantly than a sewing needle at 10,000 FPS if the impact energy is the same, the bowling ball imparts it's effects every time 100%.

I've just heard too many stories about people absorbing large numbers of 9's and they keep on coming.

But I also think threat assessment is how most of us choose out carry guns. I carry a KelTec .380 because I live among conservatives who have old time moral values, the likelihood of ever needing to draw my weapon is very small.
If, on the other hand, I believed reports that a crowd of inner city welfare rioters was coming armed to my house I wouldn't be satisfied with my KelTec, nor my .45 ACP, nor even my 10MM.

I may carry the DW 10MM with extra mags but that would be a last option, the first option would be my M1A .308, and given time I wouldn't be alone either, I'd be part of a small army.

And I'd be hoping the snowflakes were carrying KelTecs or plastic 9's. :D

But God forbid it ever happen.
 
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I just think it's funny what people will believe against physics if you offer them cheap ammo.

Since I load my own and have for many years I choose what I believe based on common sense, a bowling ball flying through the air at 200 FPS is very obviously more likely to bring a bad guy's day to an end instantly than a sewing needle at 10,000 FPS if the impact energy is the same, the bowling ball imparts it's effects every time 100%.

I've just heard too many stories about people absorbing large numbers of 9's and they keep on coming.

But I also think threat assessment is how most of us choose out carry guns. I carry a KelTec .380 because I live among conservatives who have old time moral values, the likelihood of ever needing to draw my weapon is very small.

If, on the other hand, I believed reports that a crowd of inner city welfare rioters was coming armed to my house I wouldn't be satisfied with my KelTec, nor my .45 ACP, nor even my 10MM.

I may carry the DW 10MM with extra mags but that would be a last option, the first option would be my M1A .308, and given time I wouldn't be alone either, I'd be part of a small army.

And I'd be hoping the snowflakes were carrying KelTecs or plastic 9's. :D

But God forbid it ever happen.
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You talk about physics, then come up with an example that's a massive exaggeration of the actual differences between these calibers. If we want to talk physics we can just look at the ballistics of these calibers and see that while there is a difference the idea that the difference is massive is just wrong. As far as stories of people absorbing x number of rounds, that's true of any of the typical handgun calibers and people have already shared some stories of failures to stop with 45ACP.


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People are going to believe what they are going to believe and if that is one caliber is more effective than another, 9mm/.40s&w/.45acp debate for example, no problem. Just train with whatever your carry choice is and your ahead of the game.
As for me, the only reason I even own a .45acp is because of a 1911 and how can you not have a 1911 in your collection..:D.
 
I was able to try out the RIA 1911 yesterday and it ran like a typical 1911, poorly. :(

Often it wouldn't go into battery without a little "forward assist" pushing the slide with my thumb.

It also had trouble ejecting, mangling some brass as it got stuck in the slide.

The manual says to break it in with no less than 5000 rounds! So I guess I have to spend $3K in ammo to find out if my gun works or not.

I suspected the extractor tension was too much but it checked out between 25/28oz.

I did the ol' fluff and buff today. Pretty sad that you need to do work on a brand new gun to make it work right.

Hopefully it will run better next time.
 
A gun for self defence is not much use if you need to fire 5000 rounds trough it to brake it in, it should be ready to go out of the box. Forget the .45 9MM question reliability is the most important thing, calibre means nothing if it fails to fire when you need it.
 
I was able to try out the RIA 1911 yesterday and it ran like a typical 1911, poorly.

Often it wouldn't go into battery without a little "forward assist" pushing the slide with my thumb.

It also had trouble ejecting, mangling some brass as it got stuck in the slide.

The manual says to break it in with no less than 5000 rounds! So I guess I have to spend $3K in ammo to find out if my gun works or not.
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The typical "quality" 1911 runs like a Swiss watch. You cannot expect to buy one of the lowest priced 1911's on the market and expect it to run like a more expensive model. For a little more money you could have had a Ruger or a Colt. Send it in to RIA, they will fix it. The Ruger is about as low as I would go and they can be had for $700.
 
"A gun for self defence is not much use if you need to fire 5000 rounds trough it to brake it in, it should be ready to go out of the box. Forget the .45 9MM question reliability is the most important thing, calibre means nothing if it fails to fire when you need it."

Sorry to hear your RIA doesn't run well. It sucks when you buy a new firearm and it disapoints. I just picked up a S&W 1911. I took it out today and i am lucky to say it it ran 300 rds without a problem. 1911's can be Finicky. Never heard of running 5000 rds to break one in though. Good luck.
 
I was able to try out the RIA 1911 yesterday and it ran like a typical 1911, poorly.
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Curious. My RIA GI has been 100%, once a slide stop issue got dealt with.

The manual says to break it in with no less than 5000 rounds! So I guess I have to spend $3K in ammo to find out if my gun works or not.
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As it happens, I have my copy of Rock Island's generic 1911 manual on the desk here. Let's see...not seeing a thing in there about a break in period.

Pretty sad that you need to do work on a brand new gun to make it work right.
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Happens.
 
That's still a lot of ammo.
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It's a fair amount yea, but a hell of a lot more reasonable than 5000.

I'm sure the GI models work great, but this is a 3.5 inch compact. It's a totally different system.
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I've never really known the officer length 1911s to be overly reliable, from any number of makers.
 
I bought two guns from that store last year. The owner's son, who died recently in a motorcycle accident, played little league and went to school with my son. I know the owner to be an experienced shooter. If you can't tell by the video, the owner was actually RETURNING fire. His clerks all carry, including a young lady, and seem very capable.

There was actually more going on that the video doesn't show. The other perp was very very lucky to have escaped with his life. Wouldn't you like to see the autopsy photos ? Cobb County Georgia by the way.

Rock on Jimmy

Now...concerning the pissing contest of .45 Auto vs. 9mm. The Nazis shot the 9mm from their pistols and MP40's. Our GI's shot the .45 from 1911's and Thompsons. WE WON !! Conversation over.
 
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I was able to try out the RIA 1911 yesterday and it ran like a typical 1911, poorly.

Often it wouldn't go into battery without a little "forward assist" pushing the slide with my thumb.

It also had trouble ejecting, mangling some brass as it got stuck in the slide.

The manual says to break it in with no less than 5000 rounds! So I guess I have to spend $3K in ammo to find out if my gun works or not.

I suspected the extractor tension was too much but it checked out between 25/28oz.

I did the ol' fluff and buff today. Pretty sad that you need to do work on a brand new gun to make it work right.

Hopefully it will run better next time.
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I didn't know "typical" 1911s ran poorly. Maybe cheap 1911s run poorly. You start a thread on a gunshop owner in a shootout convincing you to buy a .45 and you buy one of the cheapest 1911s on the market and then complain that it doesn't work.

The video should have taught you that being able to shoot and place your shots where they go are what win gunfights. Not the caliber used. Instead of a new gun you should have spent your money on training to make your shots count. A 9mm in the middle of the chest would have killed just as well as a 45 in the middle of the chest. The stories of the 45acp failing to stop or kill are legion. Just like all other calibers. There are no guarantees with handgun rounds.
 
Looks like I added an extra 0.

Their website and their manual says to break in with 500 rounds. My mistake.

http://armscor.com/support-center/warranty/

That's still a lot of ammo.

I'm sure the GI models work great, but this is a 3.5 inch compact. It's a totally different system.
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OK, I see the recommendation on Armscor's site. It's not in my manual.

So, run the requisite amount of ammo through it, and see how it goes. I bought a hundred round box of Remington branded aluminum case .45 yesterday. $30. So you're looking at $150 worth of ammo.

You are aware of the issues with short barrel 1911 .45s, right? It makes angles more inconvenient, and tightens up timing requirements. Easy to get all that wrong. So "the wisdom of the Innernet gun enthusiast herd mind" tells me, anyway. YMMV.

When I went to get my 1911 (my only one, to this point) I went with one as close to John Moses Browning's sacred specs as possible. I was aware of the reputation of smaller 1911s, and wanted to avoid those problems.
 
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I would never draw any conclusions about a complex issue from one data point.

And if a video about someone's demise caused me to buy a particular weapon, I wouldn't tell anyone about it.
 
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