This gun store owner is making me buy a .45

[T. O'Heir]

"...with a .45..." Shot placement makes a great deal more difference than the cartridge. No pistol cartridge guarantees anything.
There's zero indication the BG was dead before he hit the ground. Decidedly incapacitated though. Appears to be a centre of mass shot. They'll do that. But it has nothing whatever to do with the cartridge itself. Your .38 will do the same thing.

 

[lifesizepotato]

I'm sure there are CCTV videos out there showing someone dropping instantly from a well-placed round of 9mm, 380 and 32acp, too.

 

[smee78]

I agree that shot placement is priority one. If the op feels better with a 45 then who cares what anyone else thinks.

 

[Sawyer.N]

As many before me have said, a 9mm, hell even a 380 round would have put him down like that. It seems one of the initial rounds hit his pelvic girdle or spine, completely destroying all motor skills and loss of leg control. Shot placement is more important to rely on than caliber.

 

[TunnelRat]

If the op feels better with a 45 then who cares what anyone else thinks.

Well he did post about it on a public internet forum. Chances are people are going to discuss.

 

[Super Sneaky Steve]

My new Rock Island Armory compact 1911 comes in on Monday.

 

[Ramey]

My new Rock Island Armory compact 1911 comes in on Monday.

I guess you weren't kidding. You saw what it can do with your own eyes and acted on it. Good for you.


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[jad0110]

Rock Island seems to make some pretty good 1911s, I've been thinking about picking up a 5" nickel version one day. Let us know what you think of it.

As for gun shops getting robbed, I remember hearing a story about a seriously dopey thug that had to walk around a MARKED police car to go inside the gun shop to rob it. The moron got hit by something like a half dozen rounds before he could get his first sentence out . I wish I could remember the complete story and all the details, maybe someone here recalls it.

Some thugs really are cunning and dangerous, others are just out in search of a Darwin Award .

 

[Nathan]

C'mon guys....we all know only 45 can do that!

Had it been 22 or 9, the thug would have walked over and bludgeoned the shop owner to death.

Had it been 40, the shop owner would hav complained about excessive recoil in thr interview.

Had it ben 500, his pants would have fallen to the floor when he turnef to draw!

 

[45Gunner]

I carry a .45 because they do not make a .46.

All kidding aside, this looks like shot placement to me. I always tell people to carry the biggest caliber they can comfortable shoot and control. A slow, well placed shot trumps a fast miss any day of the week.

 

[dgludwig]

The best option is the one that's in my hand.

Which, of course, just because you have a 2-shot, .22 Derringer in your hand doesn't necessarily make it the "best" option. If all you're saying is it's better to have some kind of gun instead of no gun, well, that should go without saying for most people.
What kind of handgun (type, caliber, configuration, etc.) you choose to carry for self-defense can make a difference. How big of a difference is up for debate, reflecting the kind of discussion we're having here.

 

[tgreening]

No big mystery why this turned out the way it did. Greybeard is shooter, John Woo Jr wasn't. That was pretty evident the instant he pulled out the 2nd pistol.

 

[Mike38]

I'm sure people have dropped just as quickly after taking a hit from a .22LR. I'm also sure that people have been hit with a .22LR and didn't even know it until much later.

 

[TunnelRat]

I'm also sure that people have been hit with a .22LR and didn't even know it until much later.

Right, but the differences between 22LR and say 9mm are a hell of a lot more dramatic than the differences between 9mm, 40SW, and 45ACP.

 

[FrankenMauser]

Which, of course, just because you have a 2-shot, .22 Derringer in your hand doesn't necessarily make it the "best" option. If all you're saying is it's better to have some kind of gun instead of no gun, well, that should go without saying for most people.
What kind of handgun (type, caliber, configuration, etc.) you choose to carry for self-defense can make a difference. How big of a difference is up for debate, reflecting the kind of discussion we're having here.

Return to the context of my post.
Within that context, you'll see that the derringer only comes out to play when nothing else can be concealed.

Think: "Banana hammock and coconut oil."

 

[Nathan]

...In 2008 Officer Tim Gramins got into a 1-on-1 shootout with a heavily armed bank robber. It happened too fast for him to access his patrol car shotgun or AR-15 (and fortunately, also too fast for his opponent to grab the SKS rifle stashed in his getaway car). Tim was into his third and last magazine when his 33rd shot and 17th hit finally neutralized the gunman. He was using a .45 ACP GLOCK 21 with 230-grain Gold Dot JHP. The opponent had fired 21 rounds from two pistols.....

Good thing he didn't have a 9mm! He would have shot out the barrel trying to bring down a guy that takes 17 230gr Gold Dots from a full size 45. They really need to make those drugs illegal.

 

[dgludwig]

Within that context, you'll see that the derringer only comes out to play when nothing else can be concealed.

Within that context, I certainly agree.

 

[Super Sneaky Steve]

I've already stopped shaving. A .45 man needs a grizzly beard. He also uses carb cleaner as aftershave and drinks cheap beer for breakfast.

Once I have my .45 I can recommend 9mm pistols to women, children, and effeminate men with small hands.

My pistol will carry 6 rounds in it's all steel magazine, which is 5 more than I'll ever need.

Nothing can stop a .45. Well maybe 3" of hardened steel, but the microwave radiation produced on impact would still cook the internal organs of the bad guy standing behind it.

On Monday I join the club. Bad guys beware.

 

[FairWarning]

"What's your definition of "highly experienced" and "ready to go at a moment's notice"? You make it sound like every gun store is staffed by former SWAT members who walk around the entire time with their hands on their pistols. Now I'd say most of the salesmen at the stores near me have experience and certainly none of them would be my first choice of places to rob, but I can't say every salesman is Jeff Cooper."

You don't have to be Jeff Cooper to outshoot a thug. I don't think most thugs are Spetsnaz or SEALs, either.

Most of the family owned GS employees I know have rabid gun enthusiasts behind the counter with hi-cap semi autos in open holsters ready to go exactly as I said----in a moment's notice. A foolhardy environment for a thug to attempt to pull a heist.

You probably would NOT be likely to find even a Jeff Cooper Jr. at the likes of Bass Pro Shops, Cabelas, etc, where they of course are not even allowed to carry at all.

 

[TunnelRat]

You don't have to be Jeff Cooper to outshoot a thug. I don't think most thugs are Spetsnaz or SEALs, either.

That's true, but I didn't say they wouldn't win in the end. I also make a habit of not underestimating someone who might try to kill me. Criminals come from all different backgrounds and one that walks into a gun store intent on robbery is either stupid, under the influence, or very confident, or all of the above. Any of those traits is dangerous by itself. Not all thugs shoot sidewise with a hand holding up their pants.

Most of the family owned GS employees I know have rabid gun enthusiasts behind the counter with hi-cap semi autos in open holsters ready to go exactly as I said----in a moment's notice. A foolhardy environment for a thug to attempt to pull a heist.

Fair enough, I just felt there is a bit of hyperbole in that description but that's your call.