This gun store owner is making me buy a .45
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First, wear your hair how you want. With 1911's, it is not about the look anymore! Same with cologne!
Yes, this will entitle you to make fun of 9mm shooters, until you embrace the CZ75.
I would carry 7+1 in a compact or 8+1 in a full size.
Last, quit threatening bad guys! You need to switch over to the quiet confidence of a 1911 45 shooter!
For those of you relatively new to this whole thing, I would recommend looking into the shootouts Rolex watch seller Lance Thomas had with robbers. There were ultimately four shootouts and 11 bad guys thwarted, including five dead and one wounded. A repost of Massad Ayoobs article about it is available at http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?45333-Urban-Gunfighter-(-The-Lance-Thomas-story). A national TV story about it, inclduing interviews with Mr. Thomas are here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkWgp2abM2w.
Two lessons pertinent to the discussion here can be drawn. First, you don't have to be a trained Seal to protect your life. Mr. Thomas appeared to be an "average" gun owner when the first shootout occurred. Second, chances improve with training and firepower. Mr. Thomas recognized the need for both and procured both. These undoubtedly helped save him in the subsequent shootouts.
Two lessons pertinent to the discussion here can be drawn. First, you don't have to be a trained Seal to protect your life. Mr. Thomas appeared to be an "average" gun owner when the first shootout occurred. Second, chances improve with training and firepower. Mr. Thomas recognized the need for both and procured both. These undoubtedly helped save him in the subsequent shootouts.
Super Sneaky Steve
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Well, here she is, full of grease.
So far it looks like a nifty little pistol except for the stripped grip screw bushing
I'll practice my old man bad guy stoppin draw n' shoot this weekend.
Rangerrich99
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Nice looking gun, though they really packed on the grease, didn't they?
And as for the video, wow, that'd make me want to go get a 1911 in .45 auto, if I didn't already have two of them.
And as for the video, wow, that'd make me want to go get a 1911 in .45 auto, if I didn't already have two of them.
Lets see what a 9mm does for you. I don't know whether the guard has a 9mm or not, but the robber did get out the door. Maybe it was shot placement.
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http://www.wifr.com/content/news/Ro...f-armed-robbery-at-Alpine-Bank-411363285.html
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http://www.wifr.com/content/news/Ro...f-armed-robbery-at-Alpine-Bank-411363285.html
It's all in the shot placement. When I lived in Las Vegas, a woman working at the hotel next door to where I was working was shot 5 times with a .41 magnum by her ex-husband, and then he shot himself in the head. She lived, but was seriously impaired, he was dead instantly. The amount of blood she lost made me doubt she would live, but she did. There's nothing magic about any handgun caliber, and nothing to make me abandon a 9mm or .40 gun for a .45. Congrats on the new gun though. Not something I would buy, but it's pretty.
That should go without saying; I guess that's why people keep saying it.
But, there are differences in "stopping" power between different cartridges and different bullet configurations. If the differences mean nothing and shot placement is everything, forget about the great "caliber debates"; the 9mm vs the .40 vs the .45 controversies and just saddle up with your trusty .22 and put that little bullet right between their eyes. Each and every time. 
That should go without saying; I guess that's why people keep saying it.
Because the idea that the ballistic difference between say 22LR and 9mm and 9mm and 45ACP is the same is a straw man argument.
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Super Sneaky Steve
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Check out the 9mm video above. The bad guy was able to do a ninja roll then walk out of the bank before he died.
The dude who was shot with the .45 was dead before he hit the ground.
Going back to the 9mm guy. He was able to get a few shots off before he tried to make his escape. If the security guy wasn't behind good cover like he was, he could have been killed too.
.45 WINS!
As far as I know, we are unsure as to the caliber of the pistol used by the security guard. In the following link, we do find out the perp was shot in the chest and in the buttocks (like Forest Gump). The security guard is a retired Sheriff's Deputy. Here is another link with different angles and a little more info.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4315738/Heroic-security-guard-shoots-bank-robber-dead.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4315738/Heroic-security-guard-shoots-bank-robber-dead.html
HisSoldier
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Heck, we all know in 2017 that a 9MM will stop a bull elephant.
It's a fad notion carried upon the shoulders of cheap ammo I believe. People want to believe something so bad it becomes true to them.
But I guess I'm just an old guy.
It's a fad notion carried upon the shoulders of cheap ammo I believe. People want to believe something so bad it becomes true to them.
But I guess I'm just an old guy.
Heck, we all know in 2017 that a 9MM will stop a bull elephant.
It's a fad notion carried upon the shoulders of cheap ammo I believe. People want to believe something so bad it becomes true to them.
But I guess I'm just an old guy.
I'd argue it's a fad notion that the 45ACP is the hammer of Thor while anything less is the equivalent of throwing spit balls.
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There is the very true story of the DC man who was shot between the eyes with a .45 ACP FMJ. The bullet went into the skull, circled around between the skull and the brain, and exited beside the spine. Dead? Nope. He walked out of the ER a couple of hours later with a mild headache.
Jim
P.S. Please do not try this at home; he was what you call lucky!
JK
Jim
P.S. Please do not try this at home; he was what you call lucky!
JK
Super Sneaky Steve
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By my count the security guard fired at least 5 rounds at point blank range so he may have had 4 in the chest and one in the butt and he still wasn't dead.
Again, the .45 guy stopped the bad guy cold.
This new .45 I bought is kinda heavy but no one said carrying Thor's hammer would be easy.
this store owner is making me buy a .45
I'll throw this in.
A.357 hollow point 125 grain max load will blow off an arm a head or a danged big hole in the chest. Even a hit out side the vitales will more tahn likely take him out of the game permanently.
Or a 10mm or a .44 mag or others.
Liberty Civil Defense rounds and others at above usual velocities with hollow point will penetrate body armor and put them down for the count too.
That's the reason LEOs are using hollow points, though I don't like the idea.
Our Police Officer has gone back to a S&W stainless snub now in .357 with some very high velocity rounds. Only six shots but with speed loaders and practice it's almost like having a 12 shot or 18.
I'll throw this in.
A.357 hollow point 125 grain max load will blow off an arm a head or a danged big hole in the chest. Even a hit out side the vitales will more tahn likely take him out of the game permanently.
Or a 10mm or a .44 mag or others.
Liberty Civil Defense rounds and others at above usual velocities with hollow point will penetrate body armor and put them down for the count too.
That's the reason LEOs are using hollow points, though I don't like the idea.
Our Police Officer has gone back to a S&W stainless snub now in .357 with some very high velocity rounds. Only six shots but with speed loaders and practice it's almost like having a 12 shot or 18.