This gun store owner is making me buy a .45

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I recently watched this video.
WARNING A guy dies
https://youtu.be/54_Qz2f0540

It's a gun store owner who shot a bad guy with a .45. The guy was dead before he hit the ground.

I kept thinking of it so much that I just ordered a compact 1911 to carry.

I never thought my .38 was inadequate but seeing is believing.
 
How do you know it was a .45?
Plenty of 1911's in 9mm, .38 Super, 10mm and .40 out there.

Shot placement trumps caliber....every time.
 
An example of one proves nothing. A 45 will just as likely work as anything else. The important thing is that you have confidence in your choice. We average about 1 LE shooting every 2 years or so locally. The city PD carries 9mm, the county 40 S&W. Of the 10 or so shootings over the last 20 years all ended exactly like the one in the video. A 45 wouldn't have made any of them any deader.
 
It's a gun store owner who shot a bad guy with a .45. The guy was dead before he hit the ground.

I kept thinking of it so much that I just ordered a compact 1911 to carry.

I never thought my .38 was inadequate but seeing is believing.
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It wasn't the fact that it was a .45 that dropped him, it was the location he got shot. For someone to instantly drop dead from a gunshot wound means it was a shot to the CNS, if he was shot in the same spot with a .38 he would have dropped just as fast.
 
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Great video. Good evidence that a 1911 is an effective weapon in the hands of someone who knows how to use it.


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With the way he dropped, looked more like a "shot placement is king" argument. A 9mm, .40, .38, etc to the same spot would likely had the same effect.
 
I'm pretty sure it wasn't a 9mm or .38 Super. The guy has a good, two handed hold and you can see the muzzle rise more than it would for either 9mm or .38 Super. It could be a 10mm or .40 but the odds favor the .45 by, probably, 20 to 1. Agreed, though, that it is shot placement that did it.
 
I see many jokes.

But, if the OP is serious, what does it matter?

If he feels that .45 Auto is going to make him more confident than with his .38 Special, what's the harm?
(That's semi-rhetorical. I am not going to debate energy figures, hit probability, training differences, etc.; nor do I want to read arguments about such. Those are different subjects.)


I carry a Ruger LCP in .380 Auto most often.
It gets switched out with a Ruger LCR in .327 Federal, about 30-40% of the time.
Once in a while, I get a wild hair up my rear exit and decide to pack the .480 Ruger or one of the 4"-barreled .327 Federals (SP101 or GP100).
And, on rare occasion, I find myself being able to only conceal the 'stupid' little 2"-barreled .22 LR derringer.

Which one is better?
Big hole? Little hole?
Most accurate? Best "low light" sights?
Minimum penetration? Maximum penetration?

As far as I'm concerned...
The best option is the one that's in my hand.
 
If you really mean to carry a 45 Auto, in my opinion you shouldn't even consider a gun with less than 4" of barrel length. Check out youtube for ballistic gel tests and the sub 4" guns there is always insufficient expansion and over penetration. The 45 Auto was designed around a 5" barreled 1911 pistol, they were made for each other.

IMO it's still fine in the 4" barrel, especially with some +p rated HST 230g bullets. But the expansion is questionable in the short barrels.

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Not very smart to rob a store where most of the employees are alert and highly experienced shooters with open carry pistols ready to go at a moment's notice..... :eek:
 
I read this on my Flipboard this morning

Article by Massad Ayoob in Guns Magazine
http://gunsmagazine.com/spare-ammo/

An excerpt:
...In 2008 Officer Tim Gramins got into a 1-on-1 shootout with a heavily armed bank robber. It happened too fast for him to access his patrol car shotgun or AR-15 (and fortunately, also too fast for his opponent to grab the SKS rifle stashed in his getaway car). Tim was into his third and last magazine when his 33rd shot and 17th hit finally neutralized the gunman. He was using a .45 ACP GLOCK 21 with 230-grain Gold Dot JHP. The opponent had fired 21 rounds from two pistols.....
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Again proving shot placement beats caliber.
 
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Not very smart to rob a store where most of the employees are alert and highly experienced shooters with open carry pistols ready to go at a moment's notice..... :eek:
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What's your definition of "highly experienced" and "ready to go at a moment's notice"? You make it sound like every gun store is staffed by former SWAT members who walk around the entire time with their hands on their pistols. Now I'd say most of the salesmen at the stores near me have experience and certainly none of them would be my first choice of places to rob, but I can't say every salesman is Jeff Cooper.


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