why is it that Latin American countries are being portrayed as old-world countries like Europe whom immigrants sought to escape old-world woes..and seek a better life in a better country...because they ..unlike the USA...brought the old-world problems of society anf government with them when they formed...and they had a BIG head start...??? something to think about hmmm??
The Next L.A. Riot??
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lets fine companies that hire them, pay more for goods and services and have better health care, schools, less entitlements and a better, more honest society...it's worth the price...soldiers died for our American way of life...are YOU too cheap to pay more money at the store to preserve it????..a man who holds his principles for sale is a vile man indeed...
Hey Pipo!
Most of the cause for American product failure isn't the guy in the trench it's the folks who make decisions....management and boardroom folks!
One other thing. in a collective bargaining process you can't get blood out of a turnip. The bargaining process is a market place negociation which results in much more fairness and equity.
Labor laws in this country have been systematically and progressively stripped since the Nixon days by both parties.
You'll always have flaws in any system when humans and contracts are involved but thats not ground to reject them. That starts to take on the same flavor that the anti's use to reject are right to guns.
As far as strikes go...no one looks forward to a strike! But like someone threatening your gun rights you fight if there's no alternative.
As to the subject at hand...without greedy employers of all sizes willing to break our laws ans Administrations to sanction and forgive we would have no illegal immigration problem today!
If you put a chocolate cake out and intentionally blow the aroma toward an ant hill ...who's to blame for the devoured cake?
We do like to kick the lowest and most humble when our greed causes things to get scratchy!
Rimrock
Most of the cause for American product failure isn't the guy in the trench it's the folks who make decisions....management and boardroom folks!
One other thing. in a collective bargaining process you can't get blood out of a turnip. The bargaining process is a market place negociation which results in much more fairness and equity.
Labor laws in this country have been systematically and progressively stripped since the Nixon days by both parties.
You'll always have flaws in any system when humans and contracts are involved but thats not ground to reject them. That starts to take on the same flavor that the anti's use to reject are right to guns.
As far as strikes go...no one looks forward to a strike! But like someone threatening your gun rights you fight if there's no alternative.
As to the subject at hand...without greedy employers of all sizes willing to break our laws ans Administrations to sanction and forgive we would have no illegal immigration problem today!
If you put a chocolate cake out and intentionally blow the aroma toward an ant hill ...who's to blame for the devoured cake?
We do like to kick the lowest and most humble when our greed causes things to get scratchy!
Rimrock
Aspen,
South American countries are not full of Europeans looking to get into the US - they are full of Native Americans and Euro/American offspring. Unlike the USA, the rest of the Americas were not bulldozed of their native inhabitants - there were no reservations.
Did you actually think the typical Mexican was just a displaced Spainard?
Their are very few historical parallels between the settling of US and Canada vs. the rest of the Americas.
South American countries are not full of Europeans looking to get into the US - they are full of Native Americans and Euro/American offspring. Unlike the USA, the rest of the Americas were not bulldozed of their native inhabitants - there were no reservations.
Did you actually think the typical Mexican was just a displaced Spainard?
Their are very few historical parallels between the settling of US and Canada vs. the rest of the Americas.
So, what happens when workers - collectively and democratically - price themselves out of market? Right. The market, which is a non-judgemental entity which undiscriminitively works both ways, goes elsewhere. That's exactly what's happening. No reason to blame "them". It's market's way of saying that the compensation wasn't really equitable afterall.
My opinion about unions got finalized when I, a young engineer back then, got to witness how on GM plant in Warren OH a union worker at the end of his shift intentionally and with full understanding of consequences turned off a power switch and ruined few hours of work of an engineer friend. It's funny how sometimes our lifetime opinions are influenced by little things we get to observe, isn't it?
While we screw around going after each other
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608026/posts
Meeting Doctor Doom
Forrest M. Mims III Copyright 2006 by Forrest M. Mims III.
There is always something special about science meetings. The 109th meeting of the Texas Academy of Science at Lamar University in Beaumont on 3-5 March 2006 was especially exciting for me, because a student and his professor presented the results of a DNA study I suggested to them last year. How fulfilling to see the baldcypress ( Taxodium distichum ) leaves we collected last summer and my tree ring photographs transformed into a first class scientific presentation that's nearly ready to submit to a scientific journal (Brian Iken and Dr. Deanna McCullough, "Bald Cypress of the Texas Hill Country: Taxonomically Unique?" 109th Meeting of the Texas Academy of Science Program and Abstracts [ PDF ], Poster P59, p. 84, 2006).
But there was a gravely disturbing side to that otherwise scientifically significant meeting, for I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth's population by airborne Ebola. The speech was given by Dr. Eric R. Pianka (Fig. 1), the University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert who the Academy named the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.
Something curious occurred a minute before Pianka began speaking. An official of the Academy approached a video camera operator at the front of the auditorium and engaged him in animated conversation. The camera operator did not look pleased as he pointed the lens of the big camera to the ceiling and slowly walked away.
This curious incident came to mind a few minutes later when Professor Pianka began his speech by explaining that the general public is not yet ready to hear what he was about to tell us. Because of many years of experience as a writer and editor, Pianka's strange introduction and the TV camera incident raised a red flag in my mind. Suddenly I forgot that I was a member of the Texas Academy of Science and chairman of its Environmental Science Section. Instead, I grabbed a notepad so I could take on the role of science reporter.
One of Pianka's earliest points was a condemnation of anthropocentrism, or the idea that humankind occupies a privileged position in the Universe. He told a story about how a neighbor asked him what good the lizards are that he studies. He answered, “What good are you?”
Pianka hammered his point home by exclaiming, “We're no better than bacteria!”
Pianka then began laying out his concerns about how human overpopulation is ruining the Earth. He presented a doomsday scenario in which he claimed that the sharp increase in human population since the beginning of the industrial age is devastating the planet. He warned that quick steps must be taken to restore the planet before it's too late.
Saving the Earth with Ebola
Professor Pianka said the Earth as we know it will not survive without drastic measures. Then, and without presenting any data to justify this number, he asserted that the only feasible solution to saving the Earth is to reduce the population to 10 percent of the present number.
If you want the rest of this I posted where I read it. Are you one of the 10%?
Science plans the death of billions and no one is arresting them? Maybe now you can understand why they are doing nothing about immigration.
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1608026/posts
Meeting Doctor Doom
Forrest M. Mims III Copyright 2006 by Forrest M. Mims III.
There is always something special about science meetings. The 109th meeting of the Texas Academy of Science at Lamar University in Beaumont on 3-5 March 2006 was especially exciting for me, because a student and his professor presented the results of a DNA study I suggested to them last year. How fulfilling to see the baldcypress ( Taxodium distichum ) leaves we collected last summer and my tree ring photographs transformed into a first class scientific presentation that's nearly ready to submit to a scientific journal (Brian Iken and Dr. Deanna McCullough, "Bald Cypress of the Texas Hill Country: Taxonomically Unique?" 109th Meeting of the Texas Academy of Science Program and Abstracts [ PDF ], Poster P59, p. 84, 2006).
But there was a gravely disturbing side to that otherwise scientifically significant meeting, for I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth's population by airborne Ebola. The speech was given by Dr. Eric R. Pianka (Fig. 1), the University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert who the Academy named the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist.
Something curious occurred a minute before Pianka began speaking. An official of the Academy approached a video camera operator at the front of the auditorium and engaged him in animated conversation. The camera operator did not look pleased as he pointed the lens of the big camera to the ceiling and slowly walked away.
This curious incident came to mind a few minutes later when Professor Pianka began his speech by explaining that the general public is not yet ready to hear what he was about to tell us. Because of many years of experience as a writer and editor, Pianka's strange introduction and the TV camera incident raised a red flag in my mind. Suddenly I forgot that I was a member of the Texas Academy of Science and chairman of its Environmental Science Section. Instead, I grabbed a notepad so I could take on the role of science reporter.
One of Pianka's earliest points was a condemnation of anthropocentrism, or the idea that humankind occupies a privileged position in the Universe. He told a story about how a neighbor asked him what good the lizards are that he studies. He answered, “What good are you?”
Pianka hammered his point home by exclaiming, “We're no better than bacteria!”
Pianka then began laying out his concerns about how human overpopulation is ruining the Earth. He presented a doomsday scenario in which he claimed that the sharp increase in human population since the beginning of the industrial age is devastating the planet. He warned that quick steps must be taken to restore the planet before it's too late.
Saving the Earth with Ebola
Professor Pianka said the Earth as we know it will not survive without drastic measures. Then, and without presenting any data to justify this number, he asserted that the only feasible solution to saving the Earth is to reduce the population to 10 percent of the present number.
If you want the rest of this I posted where I read it. Are you one of the 10%?
Science plans the death of billions and no one is arresting them? Maybe now you can understand why they are doing nothing about immigration.
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No other country educates our young so they can come back and better our country. Why should we have to pay the costs of educating millions of illegal children just so they can go and benefit another country. Mexico needs to get off it's lazy butt and educate it's own citizens.
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MidnightRambler
New member
How many of our ancestors came here illegally? Any one who comes here illegally, whether they're from Mexico, Canada, England or anywhere else is a criminal. They are breaking our laws. I'm all for immigration, and welcome everyone from elsewhere in the world who migrates here legally.
Hunter Rose
New member
>I get a little tired of all the crap labor unions get. Union employees make the wage that the company agreed to pay in exchange for their services - market value.<
Gotta call BS here. EVERY time I've dealt with a union, it's been nothing more than a corrupt form of someone filling their wallet...
Recently, a friend took over his dad's rebar business. The union kinda strong-armed him into joining: now, he has to deal with only union workers (unless there's nobody left available in the hall). With precisely ONE exception, those workers have been pretty bad: slow, sloppy, lots of missed days. The one exception? A hispanic guy: that man could haul butt, and worked his off. Pretty sure he was legal though. And my friend's bills, due to the union? Astronomical (you REALLY didn't want to see his payroll every week)...
Not sure what to do about illegals, but something DOES need to be done. And waving a wand making them legal is NOT the solution...
Gotta call BS here. EVERY time I've dealt with a union, it's been nothing more than a corrupt form of someone filling their wallet...
Recently, a friend took over his dad's rebar business. The union kinda strong-armed him into joining: now, he has to deal with only union workers (unless there's nobody left available in the hall). With precisely ONE exception, those workers have been pretty bad: slow, sloppy, lots of missed days. The one exception? A hispanic guy: that man could haul butt, and worked his off. Pretty sure he was legal though. And my friend's bills, due to the union? Astronomical (you REALLY didn't want to see his payroll every week)...
Not sure what to do about illegals, but something DOES need to be done. And waving a wand making them legal is NOT the solution...
MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HEADED TO MEXICO
David M. Bresnahan
April 1, 2006
NewsWithViews.com
Dear President Bush:
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family,
and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across
the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
arrangements. I know you can help with this.
I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports,
immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the
same way you do here.
So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that
I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting
the following:
1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and
lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the
memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all
police officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals
on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not
want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes,
and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice
and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might
place on the economy.
I know this is an easy request because you already do all these
things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am
sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him
nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail
hunting with your V.P.
Thank you so much for your kind help.
Sincerely,
David M. Bresnahan
2006 David M. Bresnahan - All Rights Reserved
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David M. Bresnahan
April 1, 2006
NewsWithViews.com
Dear President Bush:
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family,
and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across
the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
arrangements. I know you can help with this.
I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports,
immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the
same way you do here.
So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that
I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting
the following:
1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and
lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the
memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all
police officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals
on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not
want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes,
and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice
and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might
place on the economy.
I know this is an easy request because you already do all these
things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am
sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him
nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail
hunting with your V.P.
Thank you so much for your kind help.
Sincerely,
David M. Bresnahan
2006 David M. Bresnahan - All Rights Reserved
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MidnightRambler
New member
I don't particularly like illegals' children being legal just because they were born here either, but that's another story.
The "undiscriminitively" market likes Chinese prison wages. Is that the prize you're chasing. Because there's plenty of good ol boys right here in "God's Country ready to accomodate you!
BTW, A collective group of employees can't get what's not there...unless their dealing with managerial morons! Which frankly too often is the case!
Rimrock