The Next L.A. Riot??

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OneInTheChamber

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With this HR 4437 bill looming over; it looks like the latino's in CA are going nuts. I watched the news yesterday and it said 500,000 immigrants were protesting in downtown LA. Looks like when that bill passes (and I hope it does) they will go berserk. Today, kids ditched school to protest and walk on the freeway as a sign of opposing HR4437.
 
They're not "immigrants." Immigrants come here legally, and have always been one of America's greatest strengths.

Illegal aliens sneak into our country.
 
The lie

This land belonged to the native indians long before the country of Mexico came to be. The Mexicans stole it from Spain. We the U.S. purchased this land. These flag waving mexicans are so proud of mexico they dont live their. Rather than march on U.S. cities why dont they march on their own country and change their own corrupt country. This issue is not an immigrant issue but a illegal immigrant issue. IM first generation American and I was raised to be an American. They should protest by leaving , America , love it or leave it!:cool:
 
Don't worry - Congress is going to fix this problem.

Guess who said this "As we debate the immigration issue, we must remember there are hard-working individuals, doing jobs that Americans will not do, who are contributing to the economic vitality of our country''
 
OneInTheChamber, while 500,000 people constitutes a significantly large demonstration, nothing I've seen or read so far shows anybody going "nuts" or engaging in activities approaching a riot. Did you witness something the rest of us didn't?

ESI Agent, you presented an 'interesting' view of history, as follows:

The Mexicans stole it from Spain. We the U.S. purchased this land.
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Care to explain?

You also stated:

These flag waving mexicans are so proud of mexico they dont live their.
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Yes, all those flag having Irish that come out every March should go home too. :rolleyes:
 
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Huh. Unfortunatly the part of the bill that would make illegal aliens felons was stripped from the bill and I think it was made to where they could become citizens even if they are in the country illegally.

While there was no riot yesterday, illegals and highschoolers turning out all across the country marching does get your attention and could be water in the pot before it boils over. Remember the Rodney King demonstrations were just marches (or stand arounds as they should more appropriately be called) until the verdict was announced giving an excuse to loot and help themselves to new VCRs and TVs in the name of "justice."

in the first place, Celts (Irish, Scots, Welsh,) are Heartland America's (The South and West) primary cultural and ethnic makup. In short, their laws and customs are what America is. 19th century Senator John C. Calhoun once said that he was "proud to be part of such a gallant race" (the Irish). America is not "a nation of immigrants" it is not a mass of people. It is (really 5 countrys in one union) made up primarily of British fore bearers from different sections of the British isles. Our laws, customs, language and theology are based primarily on this background. Yes there are pockets of minority immigrants of different countries and backgrounds in different sections of the country and they do give those areas a unique feature (The Cajuns of South Louisiana, the Tejanos and German pockets of South Texas, the Chinese and Japanese of the California coast, Black people who live primarily in the South, The Cherokee, Creek, Choctow, Seminole etc of Oklahoma, the Italians of the Northern cities.) But overall we have a unique culture, people and identity just like every other country in the world and we should seek to preserve that.

In the second place with the first point in mind these Irish with their flags are not foreign people demanding that we change our laws to suite their wants at our expense.

A handful of foreign people coming in and becoming citizens spread out among the population assimilating into it (Like ESI Agent) is a normal okay thing. Massive uncontrolled legal and illegal immigration is NOT. There is nothing racist or malice about this, it is just the truth and airheads inside the "beltway" like Bush, Hillary who just reduce america to some abstract ideology are seeking to in effect to create a Tower of Babel...an idol unto themselves (and votes on their ballots) that has no basis in reality.



Mexicans are proud of their country and heritage, and is well they should be, as does every other country and people in the world (why should we here feel any different btw?) But coming to another country and dictating how we should do things to suite them is unacceptable.

Spain and Mexico barely had control over California the rest of the southwest and Texas in government title(Russia, England were also competing for foreign control as well). At the time of the Texas War for Independence (Mid to late 1830s) I there were only about 4-6000 settlers of Mexican-Indian peon or Spanish origin between Nacogdoches, Texas and Los Angeles, California. The only settlements were isolated towns like Nachgdoches, San Antonio (Bexer), Santa Fe, Los Angeles and that is about it.
The American Settlers from Texas to California by the mid 1840s outnumbered the Mexicans I think 6-1. Apart from that from that there were only a few thousand nomadic American Indians (Apache, Navajo, Commanche etc.). In the previous years of the late 1700s and early 1800s these tribes (mostly the Commanche) kept what few Spanish and Mexican ventures into Texas and the southwest out and allowed what few there were to remain just so they could have a place to steal fresh horses that they found useful for travel and hunting when they weren't going down into Mexico to raid. This BTW, is why Moses Austin was able to persuade the Spanish government to allow an American Colony setup in Texas to serve as a barrier between the Commanche and Mexico. The Spanish and later Mexican goverments were quite dissapponted when that colony was set up in fertile East Texas instead of central and West Texas.
 
Doug.38PR, you raised some interesting points, but I think that there are a number of flaws in your arguments. I'll respond, although with the caveat that debates concerning the actual or desired cultural/ethnic/population makeup of the United States tend to end poorly.

You state:

n the first place, Celts (Irish, Scots, Welsh,) are Heartland America's (The South and West) primary cultural and ethnic makup. In short, their laws and customs are what America is.
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I'm not aware that peoples of Celtic ancestry consitute the cultural and legal foundation of the southern and western United States; they constitute a portion of the population of those areas, and contribute to a portion of the culture in those regions, but that's about as far as it goes. Those portions of the current population in those areas that do claim some descent from those groups are so far removed culturally and temporally from those claimed origins as to make the connection hollow and meaningless, at least in terms of determining the predominant laws and customs of those areas, and by your logic, the nation as a whole.

You state:

America is not "a nation of immigrants" it is not a mass of people. It is (really 5 countrys in one union) made up primarily of British fore bearers from different sections of the British isles. Our laws, customs, language and theology are based primarily on this background.
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Your statement is contradictory. On the one hand, you claim that America is not a nation of immigrants. You then follow with the statement that America is constituted in large part by people of British origin, who presumably immigrated to this country. If America is not a "nation of immigrants", then its population must be autochthonous, which aside from the native populations that still exist, it is not. Furthermore, while American culture, language, religious beliefs, and legal systems do indeed possess many roots in British culture, British culture certainly does not constitute the entirety of their origins, nor does it continue to exert any considerable influence on the development of American culture.

You state:

Yes there are pockets of minority immigrants of different countries and backgrounds in different sections of the country and they do give those areas a unique feature (The Cajuns of South Louisiana, the Tejanos and German pockets of South Texas, the Chinese and Japanese of the California coast, Black people who live primarily in the South, The Cherokee, Creek, Choctow, Seminole etc of Oklahoma, the Italians of the Northern cities.) But overall we have a unique culture, people and identity just like every other country in the world and we should seek to preserve that.
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While some of these groups possibly fall into the category of 'pockets of minority immigrants,' most certainly do not. As far as I know, the Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw, and Seminole peoples did not immigrate to the United States from other countries, although they did move within the United States. I think that you'll have a hard time demonstrating that black people in the south consistute a 'pocket of minority immigrants.' Likewise, all of these groups have contributed in varying degrees to that unique American culture which you would seek to preserve. Are you going to argue that the American culture you wish to preserve is British in nature, and that the contributions of African-Americans are minimal and unimportant in the overwhelmingly British-American culture and not worth preserving? That seems to be where your logic is headed.

You state:

A handful of foreign people coming in and becoming citizens spread out among the population assimilating into it (Like ESI Agent) is a normal okay thing. Massive uncontrolled legal and illegal immigration is NOT.
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What exactly is the problem with massive legal immigration? That essentially is how the population of the United States was assembled. Are you arguing that it was OK in the past, but now we should shut the gates and only allow a trickle of the elect through?

Well, that's all I have time for now.
 
Lief,
I'll respond to this editing this message later tonight, I don't really have the time neccessary to respond to all your thoughts right now.

You don't seem to be very conscious of Celtic/British background in America (I don't mean that to be insulting or to put you down in any way...most history textbooks don't go into it. Up until 10 years ago I wasn't very conscious of it either. I never thought about where our habits, customs, laws and culture came from in the South. It was just "the way we were" but never really looked where it mostly came from.). See books James Webb's _Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Built America_, _Cracker Culture: Celtic Ways of the Old South by Grady McWhitney_, _Cousins Wars by Kevin Phillips, and I'm told _Albion's Seed_ by David Hackett Fisher is another fairly good treatment of the subject. Those are just a few I can think of offhand. Whether you agree with all of these authors thoughts and conclusions the British/Celtic makup, identity and culture within the borders of the United States and the demographics between English, Celtic/British influence between the New England, Midwest, South and West is clearly evident.

I also think you and I and certainly the political mouths in Washington have different definitions of "nation of immigrants"

More to come later.
 
It sickens and infuriates me that our country is taking seriously a bunch of people who are, in essence, saying, "We object to any effort to address criminal behavior when that behavior is entering the United States illegally. How dare the U.S. actually see fit to enact protections to enforce the law?!"


I mean really, it's almost like if car thieves were to picket outside an automobile factory to protest the installation of anti-theft devices as standard.

How can you defend the illegal activity and protest the enforcement of law?! :mad:


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This is largely our own fault. By 1) not enforcing our own immigration laws for decades, and 2) Partaking of the economic benefits afforded by illegal labor, we put OURSELVES into this mess. Now we have to craft some sort of workable plan.

It is impractical to make 12 million people instant felons. We cannot round up 12 million people and ship them back to wherever they came from. We do not have the money or prison capacity to put them in jail. And it would not be humane or ethical to do so anyway, in light of our own culpability in how we arrived at this point.

The sheer size of the problem will force us into some sort of program that will 'regularize' the status of these people. The key will be to have some sort of trade off -- regularize the status in return for FIXING THE DARN BORDER SECURITY. If we wind up with a 'path to citizenship', but with no border security fix, then we will have bought a phony solution that will collapse again in about 20 years.
 
I'm sorry, when I said immigrants I meant illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants are the best thing for us; illegals are the worst. It's a slap in the face to all the people waiting to get in here legally when these people just walk across the border.

What amazes me is the heavy involvement illegals have with the federal gov't. They collect $$$$ for crying out loud! You have their address, you send the checks there! If I were an illegal, I wouldn't be caught anywhere near those protests. That crowd of 500,000 was probably 75% illegals!

I love the bill boards that are only in spanish too, another slap to every veteran who fought so we could still speak English.

I believe that if the bill passes, the crowds could turn violent (some of them, not all). Yesterday a protestor was hit by a hit and run driver; I hope that doesn't turn into the spark that lights the fire.
 
Did you ever see that online clip called "xtreme racist"? That's hilarious when the guy crams a bunch of Mexicans in his truck and tells them he needs labor work done but instead pulls up to the Immigrations office honking his horn and they all jump out of the bed and run like hell. If we all did that at least once a month we'd be doing our communities a great service :D :cool:
 
Doug.38PR, I think that you're missing my point, or quite possibly I didn't make it clear. Debates about the cultural origins of America are all fine and well, and we can do that until the proverbial cows come home, but they possess little relevance for the current immigration issue. Unless you're willing to enact and enforce such sweeping legislation to enforce a particular notion of what constitutes 'American' - in your case one that emphasizes its English and/or Celtic roots - the debate about what American culture has been, is, or should be holds no direct relevance to the issue of illegal immigration. There was a saying popular at one time - "You cannot legislate morality." Legislating culture is similarly difficult and only leads the country down a path of institutionalized racism and massive curtailments of civil rights, for citizen and noncitizen alike. That is not a path that I'm willing to follow.

Generally speaking, illegal immigration is not a black and white legal issue as some would like to see it become. Leaving economic complexities to the side, there are moral issues with which to contend. The only crime that most illegal immigrants to this country have committed is the act of immigration itself. Most of these people simply are trying to provide for themselves and their families, and do it by working in jobs that most citizens do not relish for wages that most citizens do not desire. I have a very hard time further criminalizing a group of people simply for trying to earn a living working longer hours for less money in more degrading conditions than most citizens themselves are willing to do. Hispanic immigration to this country is a fact, regardless of what should or should not be; you cannot tell people to 'check their culture at the door.' Rather than further criminalizing and ostracizing a large and growing sector of society, maybe it's time to examine ourselves and why we want to put so many obstacles in the path of those who want to work here. By setting them further into isolation, one only increases the cultural divide.

I would also add that no laws exist that forbid flying Mexican flags, speaking in Spanish, and advertising in Spanish. Until such time as such laws exist (hopefully never), these activities are perfectly legal, despite what you may feel about them. If a veteran is insulted by a Spanish billboard, than that's a pretty thin-skinned veteran, because Spanish on a billboard is protected by the same First Amendment that allows you to express your consternation at it in the language of your choosing, and is the same First Amendment that that veteran defended. Now, if you want to start limiting the First Amendment to English-speakers, then maybe will have to take a look at some of the other amendments as well; I wonder which one follows the First?

To return to the original topic that started this thread, however, nothing I've seen in the last few days comes close to being classified as a riot or a nascent riot; time will tell, I suppose, but I'm going to give people the benefit of the doubt until such time.
 
Leif,
I disagree. Cultural origins should, in my mind, be the CHIEF issue above economics or politics in the immigration debate. The reason is is not voiced as much as it should be on FOX news debates, floor of the House and Senate and such is for the very fear that you voiced in your final two sentences in the above quote: nobody wants to be labeled a racist. Political Correctness is the evil that the establishment elite uses to dominate and lord over all discourse in society today. Anytime you voice anything that goes contrary to what they say, they start hinting or even directly shouting racism, xenophobia or bigotry. THIS IS NOT TRUE. Let me explain where I am coming from.

Families and clans from the British Isles moved from the Mother country to what was then called the New World. Puritans primarily from the Southeastern portions of England crossed the Atlantic and landed primarily in the area of states we now call New England and gradually migrated west into eastern New York and Pennsylvania and a large portion of the Midwest. These settlers who moved west of New England came into contact and, to some extent depending on the area, melted in with German pockets from New York and later German and Scandinavian immigrants in the early 1840s in the Midwest not to mention some Scotch Irish influence in the lower portion of the Midwestern states.

These English settlers, in their beginnings until the early 19th century, by and large had a Puritan Calvinistic theology with the Congregationalist Church that affected how they viewed the world and their place in it. Thus their laws and customs were centered around their understanding of the Christian faith and theology and their cultural background as Englishmen. They were primarily a seafaring and industrial people who gradually adopted their region to fit this background.

Likewise in the South colonies throughout Virginia and the Carolinas were founded by what some called Cavalier English (settlers who were more or less supportive of the Church of England) but were Calvinistic in their basic worldview similar in theology to the Puritans.
To the west away from the coastline settled the larger Scotch-Irish population who shared a similar Calvinist theology (with Armenian Christian theology mixed in to some degree or another in some regions of the Upper South)and agrarian lifestyle as the Cavalier English.
These British and Celtic settlers, both sharing the orthodox Christian theology and an agrarian lifestyle, moved west settling the Mississippi, Texas and Western territories throughout the 19th century.

In the early years of America, even in British Colonial times, the old concepts of English and British law and custom stayed with these colonists. Their culture was shaped by the habits, manners and, most importantly, the theology the old culture . With the different cultures and backgrounds in different regions, these settlers nevertheless had enough in common from law and theology to unite in a Union of states for the purpose of trade and defense becoming what we now call the United States of America. They drafted the Constitution to seal the compact between the states incorporating centuries of understanding in British law and Christian theology. Law and theology that recognizes the need to limit the power of government as it is made of flawed men. It recognizes that the power must be delegated to sovereign communities to check the power of the federal government. It recognizes the uniqueness of these sovereign communities and thus one must not encroach upon the other by use of the federal government.
The Bill of Rights alone (and even the debates pro and con for even having a bill of rights if you go back and read them) are full of this line of thinking. The freedom from a national denominational church (what they called religion back then) forced upon other states is prohibited by the first amendment.
This is just one example of the mindset of the framers of the Constitution, their descendants and ancestors.

NOW, having said all that and with the above history in mind when you say America is a nation of immigrants because of their moving from one portion of land to another you are right. In that sense America IS a nation of immigrants. HOWEVER, by that line of thinking, SO IS EVER OTHER NATION ON EARTH.
All people started somewhere and later developed a region and settled down to form a society and culture based on their own law and custom and seek to preserve it's uniqueness as they understand it and as well they should. America is no different.
NOW, with that point in mind, Bush, Hillary, Kennedy, and all the other political goons in the media and schools seek to reduce America as something else. They seek to reduce America to an abstract idea. A proposition nation that is not defined by people and land but by "ideas" and "opportunity" and "freedom" and other vague perverted French Enlightenment concepts. With this view, any warm body on two legs can come and be a part of this institution and benefit from it's economic position.
Everyone whom I've ever talked to with this view, sees America as just some corporate institution that everybody benefits from economically.

With this kind of worldview, there is no past, no present, no future, no culture, no roots, no language, no custom, no tradition, no religion, no sense of community, no sense of identity, no sense of connection to place and family, no sense of kith and kin, no sense of values, nothing to love, nothing to be loved, and no connection to God. In short, there is no sense of anything beyond yourSELF and the here and now. Everything is new, the New Heaven and New Earth start anew with each generation of consumers in the institution.
It is a false idol of a shallow image. Yes they preach a lot about "diversity" and "multiculturalism" but all that is only a politically correct shell of certain cultures, selectively chosen to be recognized by elites to be used as a weapon against the local regional culture.
In reality, the danger of massive immigration, legal and illegal, is a dangerous thing. The difference between 300 years ago and now is that then there was no country here. There were scattered tribes of American Indians who were largely hunting cultures on a wild continent.

America wasn't built until British settlers came here and built it establishing American community, culture and law. In fact, the Indian tribes called US (white settlers) the Americans. The Indians called themselves by their tribe name "Cherokee, Creek, Seminole etc." Their local tribe was their identity or they more or less identified themselves taking on Columbus' geographic mistake as Indians. The PC term "Native Americans" didn't come along until recently.

The fact is that our local laws, our states and Federal Constitution was not written by Germans, or French, or Swiss, or Islamic people, or Black people, or Oriental people, or Italians, or Spanish, or Hispanic, or American Indians. You won't find any of the above people or cultures represented among any of the signers of the Declaration of Independence or representatives at the Constitutional convention of 1789. This is not racist, it is simply the truth. And not necessarily a bad thing. Again, all cultures and nations enjoy their own unique identity and customs for better or worse. What is better or worse is open to debate based on ones theological worldview. But that is another discussion for another day. This identity and pride in ones culture need not degenerate into arrogance, racism, bigotry and malice, but can and should be a source of strength. Part of who you are is where you come from. It can be pride in what God made you looking up to him rather than the sin of pride that God hates of looking down on others.

Going back to America's makeup, yes there are other pockets of minorities and immigrants, they do have their own local identity, many of them have been named in my last post. While their contribution is largely (but not completely) isolated to their own communities it is certainly not unimportant.

Shut the gates and allow a trickle of elect through?

Yes. This was done in needed parts of our history prior to the PC days. The reason behind this was so that the immigration for the most part would be of people who would have a similar background and culture to the local population while still allowing people from other parts of the world to assimilate into our society.
The danger in massive uncontrolled immigration is historical. The reality is that you can't clash two different cultures, languages and worldviews together and expect harmony. These immigrants by and large aren't interested in becoming white suburban Americans from Ohio, they are Mexicans who have their own way of life. They fly their flag, they speak their language and are loyal to THEIR country not ours. Look at the influence the Mexican government has over this as well. People are going to naturally flock to their own kind.
I remember something a Chinese neighbor of mine told me about his view of bilingual education. In China they have dozens of different dialects throughout the country intertwining with each other. It creates confusion and confusion creates conflict. Combine that with theology, custom, language and laws.
The 100 Years War was started because English influence in France was too strong. Lords from England were given titles in France bringing with them not only themselves but English serfs which lead to the 100 Years War. The way things are going, in 50 years or less, history could repeat itself if we don't start waking up on both sides of the border. Osama Bin Laden and his killers will be the least of our problems.
 
..I'll give my opinion with the bark on...Only Americans can protect and improve American society, values and culture...these ILLEGAL ALIENS have no say...they are blood sucking leaches who only recognize their neighboring country as something to feed off any way they can...don't tell me the BIG LIE about economic benefits..when totaled along with the drain from tax money and the over load of services..Americans lose(like todays American students)..only a selected comparitively few reap enlarged profit margins who would sell out their country in the long run for money anyway...to HELL with these sons of b******!!!...their hypocrisy and dishonesty stems from their lips and acts...we need just one more march...line them up on a big interstate highway and march directly south until clear of our border...then shut the gate...you want to be a citizen of this blessed country...do it honestly and don't cut in line...
 
Did you ever see that online clip called "xtreme racist"? That's hilarious when the guy crams a bunch of Mexicans in his truck and tells them he needs labor work done but instead pulls up to the Immigrations office honking his horn and they all jump out of the bed and run like hell. If we all did that at least once a month we'd be doing our communities a great service
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Amazing.

I haven't seen the "clip," but if it's called "xtreme racist," I have a problem with that. How is it "racist" to bring illegal immigrants to the attention of the authorities that are supposed to deal with illegal immigrants? It's not a RACE thing, it's a LEGALITY thing. :mad:

-azurefly
 
azurefly, as far as the video goes, it's a race thing. He didn't just bring illegal immigrants to the attention of the authorities, his attitude spoke of more.
 
The Lie

This whole movement is based on lies. They said this land was stolen from them: Wrong, we purchased it. And what ever we paid for it we've paid a thousand times over in giving their courtry handouts in aid. The only group that has the right to stand up and say this land was stolen from them is the native north american indians.
They have stated their standing up for mexicans rights. When is the last time youve seen restrooms stating no mexicans or mexicans have to ride in the back of the bus. The only place mexicans are denied rights is in Mexico. In fact illegal mexicans have more rights in the U.S. than they have in their own courtry. So they should march on Mexico city and change their own corrupt country.
In regard to flag waving if these people wanted to be americans they would wave americans flags and weve seen for the most part nothing but mexican flags. Another lie is they say Americans are anti immigrant. Lie! We have the most liberal immigration policies in the world. The word is Illegal. It seems that most of these people dont know history and dont know how to read. The bottom line is people should enter the right way. Mexico enforces their immigration laws. The bottom line Americans have better pull their heads out of who knows where and start seeing whats going on. Just remember your states next. How does a mouse eat an elephant? One bite at a time.
 
Personally I don't really see how race enters into the whole debate at all. Except when extremists play the "race card" to skew focus away from the situation at hand.

These people who are marching in LA and other places near the Mexican border in protest of the new legislation, are most likely, illegal immigrants themselves, but that goes without saying. Their concern is not that they will be labled criminals or felons, but that their gravy train and free loading will be hampered if not cut short as attention to the issue gains more public awareness from other parts of the country. As I understand it, ER's and hospitals in southern California are overflowing with illegals because doctors, by law, must provide them with attention and care. And of course since illegals don't pay taxes or contribute to society in any way other than the specific labor they perform, the healthcare system is on the verge of collapse in those areas. I used to work for a home healthcare provider so I have heard stories of American citizens having strokes or other life threatening situations, and not being able to get service at a hospital due to over demand on supplies, personnel, and time in general. Schools are also overcrowded by the kids of these illegals, and I would imagine that for every couple, at least 3 to 4 children would be produced thus adding to an already severely stressed food supply for the southwest. There's only so much food our farmlands can produce a year, add in all the food we give to foreign aid and pretty soon we are going to be the ones asking for the same kind of foreing aid. These people take advantage of our own legal system, and then become outraged when we try to fix the problem. They contribute nothing to programs that repair roads, build schools, and provide life saving services at taxpayers expense.

All these college idiots and morons protesting the legislation will raise their fists in outrage at the so called injustices to the poor, oppressed people of Mexico and Canada who, "just want a chance at a better life". But they don't care that quite a few of these "opportunity seekers" are not seeking law degrees or any kind of education, but joining gangs, selling drugs, and committing all forms of lawlessness just because they know that, in the unlikely event they are caught, they'll just be deported and have every opportunity to sneak back in. And further more, they know they have the support of their own governments who don't want them or their problems. These protesters are so ardent in their cries for justice, yet they also protest every single incident that the U.S. doesn't provide some sort of foreign aid to any given country where genocide or famine are running rampant. How did America become the country with the sole responsibility of feeding and policing the whole freaking world.

We have starving kids, and homeless orphans of our own in this country. How much food is produced for programs to help our homeless and our hungry children? And how much is produced and shipped to countries like Somalia, or Croatia, or Nigeria to name a few examples? How many foreign aid workers have been murdered in the pursuit to help others? It's never enough for these protesters, many of which are just bored college brats who live off daddy's paycheck and don't really contribute anything to anyone, who just protest the evils of America.

I am fully in support of not only locking down immigration laws, but the borders as well, AND laying out mine fields. ALL borders. We have plenty of illegals coming from Canada as well. Let's not forget the fact that these illegals, actively target our border patrol agents and officers.

But what can we do really. Nothing. The problem is far too large now. Eventually the healthcare systems will fail. When that happens, these farm workers who supposedly grow all our food will look to other government programs to leach off of. This WILL lead to the collapsd of society and civilization in this country as we know it. And if we keep electing morons and retards who posture and pose to get elected, then do nothing but sit back and enjoy their office, we will be stuck with government leaders who would sign over California, New Mexico, and Nevada to Mexico so they don't have to deal with it. The American public will never be spurred to action quick enough to do, or even care, about any issue threatening this country that gives them so many ways to be lazy and uncaring. Does anyone really see it getting any better in the near future? These illegals already outnumber American citizens in their area. And these people will move to ensure that their turn at the free ride comes around. They already made the effort to jump the border, they have no problem looting and burning buildings and carving out territories for themselves out of our cities. These marches are just the beggining.

One day America will be in the same situation as India. Far too many people to feed, clothe, and house. The difference is that there will be a sizeable portion of the population who will notice, who will say that something must be done, who will be aware enough of the big picture to panic when they see it spiraling out of control. In India, most of the population is just trying to find a meal to get them through another day. They are not concerned with anyone else around them, they just try to survive. The only ones trying to fix the problem of famine and AIDS, are aide workers.

I realize that these are extreme views and that much of this is speculation, not fact. Yet. It may not happen in our lifetime, but our kids WILL have to deal with these issues when it all explodes out of control.:cool:
 
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