The Masterpiece Arms "9mm Mini Defender" is out!
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281 Quad Cam
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Superior weapon? Superior to what? 
I have the MPA30 with the side cocker and this semi-auto gun is as accurate as any handgun if you simply hold it out in front of you when firing it. Yes, the sights are crude, but these guns are tack drivers. Mine is in 9mm and with that weight there is absolutely no recoil to speak of. I could not believe it's accuracy the first time I fired this gun.
I paid $349.00 for mine 2 years ago..... and I would not part with mine, lots of fun.......
I paid $349.00 for mine 2 years ago..... and I would not part with mine, lots of fun.......
Maybe you should go back and read the whole thread again if you want to see what we all agree on.Te Anau said:
If the laws about full auto were different, and this particular pistol were select fire, I'm sure it would be more well-received by many of the posters.
However this is not the case, and it is a semiauto behemoth that does the same thing a Glock 17 will do while leaving the user far less encumbered. The MPA you are lobbying for is unnecessarily bulky and unwieldy for the job it actually does. This conclusion is arrived at through basic reasoning; nothing special.
Give us one practical reason that I'd want to get one of these things over a G17 or a USP. And please don't say "to make you feel like a real man" or somesuch nonsense.
Walter Mitty
If you remember Walter Mitty (and don't admit your age
) you know the reason for a gun like this is just for the fun of being able to blast out a bunch of shots pretending it's a subgun. Hitting a target is incidental.
Several years ago, I had a Cobray M11/9, which looks to be about the same thing. With a barrel extension (slotted or fake "can") they can be a lot of fun hip shooting at plinking ranges. I sold the Cobray (it actually had quite a bit of "bounce") and later replaced it with a Tec-9, just for plinking.
For any serious use of the pistol caliber rounds these guns shoot, a regular handgun is far superior.
If you remember Walter Mitty (and don't admit your age
) you know the reason for a gun like this is just for the fun of being able to blast out a bunch of shots pretending it's a subgun. Hitting a target is incidental.Several years ago, I had a Cobray M11/9, which looks to be about the same thing. With a barrel extension (slotted or fake "can") they can be a lot of fun hip shooting at plinking ranges. I sold the Cobray (it actually had quite a bit of "bounce") and later replaced it with a Tec-9, just for plinking.
For any serious use of the pistol caliber rounds these guns shoot, a regular handgun is far superior.
281 Quad Cam
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Superior in what aspect?
Reliability? Is it more trustworthy than a Sig, H&K, or Glock?
Accuracy? I haven't seen these win any competitions? Do they fire from an open bolt?
Power? For all of it's size, it's using the same pistol calibres as any handgun.
Concealability? Who makes an IWB holster that can stoe this away undetected under a T-shirt?
Capacity? Glock's got 17 rounds, 33 with an extended magazine, which the MPA certainly uses.
Fun Factor? Well it may be fun, but you said superior weapon, not superior smile-creator.
I'm just coming up short... In what way is the MPA superior?
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In all honesty, most of us here probably would give you and other MPA-shooters support had you come here posting about it being a 'git and shiggle' type of gun, rather than something you bring to the range to boost your own ego.
Statements such as 'people gasp in awe when you unveil a MPA gun at the range!' just go nowhere with responsible adults. Reminds me of that new Passat commercial.
"Because daddy never hugged me!"
"Because the more guys notice me the more I love myself!"
"Because I make more money than you!"
"Because mines only about 'yay' big!"
Statements such as 'people gasp in awe when you unveil a MPA gun at the range!' just go nowhere with responsible adults. Reminds me of that new Passat commercial.
"Because daddy never hugged me!"
"Because the more guys notice me the more I love myself!"
"Because I make more money than you!"
"Because mines only about 'yay' big!"
What the!?
Is Te Anau the official spoksman for this company? Ok you like the thing, we get it already. You’re pushing it like a 3:00am infomercial. That makes everyone leery that you are part of the company and bragging about them to sell a few. If you are, take an ad out in a magazine where it belongs.
Is Te Anau the official spoksman for this company? Ok you like the thing, we get it already. You’re pushing it like a 3:00am infomercial. That makes everyone leery that you are part of the company and bragging about them to sell a few. If you are, take an ad out in a magazine where it belongs.
I remember thinking how cool it was to have a semi-auto pistol, similar to what the Seals used. Then I used a couple, and realized that a semi-auto mac is like breasts on a bull.
For a point and shoot, home defense weapon, with stock, and at self-defense ranges, the 45acp Mac has something going for it.
The only thing was the Mac 10 I had was about 100% unreliable, unless feed 45 ACP BALL ammo. Don't know about these new guns, and, no one has mentioned how well they feed hollowpoints. At very close quarters, with maybe a trigger job, the mac 10 design allowed you to put multiple hits, on a close quarters target, with no recoil to speak of.
However, it was FAR superior in it's duty, when instead of
shooting semi-auto, it dumped 7360 grains of 230 grain
ball ammo, on target, in less then 2 seconds, in full auto.
I've often thought that you might even be able to get a brown bears attention, with essentially a 1 bore quanity of lead, at 850 fps. That's about 11,811 ft-lbs of energy, on target. That's a 402 Taylor knock down factor.
Also, keep in mind, macs fire so fast, it's hard NOT to dump the entire magazine, with one trigger pull.
So, much as I think the ORIGINAL design was very cool, since I don't have a class three, and don't want the Federal government knocking at my door, I'm not likely to ever own a full auto mac, or any variant.
Frankly, it does only one thing well, that's room defense, and, it's no fun to take to the range, since for me, fun at the range is hitting my target, and, that's hard enough with a good pistol, at 25 or 50 yards.
That said, I always felt that a Mac 10, .45 ACP, full auto, was the ULTIMATE avaliable, home, room defense weapon.
The ability to put that much lead, I should say copper jacketed lead, since it wouldn't feed lead bullets, on target, in that short a period of time, and, being able to quickly load, made it the ultimate pillow gun for me. The small size, but heavy weight, kept shots on target, and it was simply devastating at Bad Guy ranges.
I also think that full auto, it's the ultimate anti gang weapon.
And, here we have a niche for the semi-auto versions. In an area where gangs are a problem, this gun has some valid points. A semi auto version, with a 32 round clip, at car jacking ranges, or, home invaision by gangs, is certainly in the ball park with pistols. With the stock folded, in a car, you could easily defend yourself, as you could in a room, knowing they are coming. 32 rounds allows multiple rounds, on target, with no recoil, in .45 ACP.
Also, with a large jacket, and the old cobray shoulder rigs, you could carry this gun with 96 rounds of .45 ball, and, you are hard pressed to do that, with any handgun.
The old design mac was ultimate in simplicity, and the gun s are all but unbreakable. Don't know about the newer versions, and, unless I move to Florida, or Texas, I never will;-(
S
PS: For nostalgia purposes, I may have to watch 3 Days of the Condor again;-)
For a point and shoot, home defense weapon, with stock, and at self-defense ranges, the 45acp Mac has something going for it.
The only thing was the Mac 10 I had was about 100% unreliable, unless feed 45 ACP BALL ammo. Don't know about these new guns, and, no one has mentioned how well they feed hollowpoints. At very close quarters, with maybe a trigger job, the mac 10 design allowed you to put multiple hits, on a close quarters target, with no recoil to speak of.
However, it was FAR superior in it's duty, when instead of
shooting semi-auto, it dumped 7360 grains of 230 grain
ball ammo, on target, in less then 2 seconds, in full auto.
I've often thought that you might even be able to get a brown bears attention, with essentially a 1 bore quanity of lead, at 850 fps. That's about 11,811 ft-lbs of energy, on target. That's a 402 Taylor knock down factor.
Also, keep in mind, macs fire so fast, it's hard NOT to dump the entire magazine, with one trigger pull.
So, much as I think the ORIGINAL design was very cool, since I don't have a class three, and don't want the Federal government knocking at my door, I'm not likely to ever own a full auto mac, or any variant.
Frankly, it does only one thing well, that's room defense, and, it's no fun to take to the range, since for me, fun at the range is hitting my target, and, that's hard enough with a good pistol, at 25 or 50 yards.
That said, I always felt that a Mac 10, .45 ACP, full auto, was the ULTIMATE avaliable, home, room defense weapon.
The ability to put that much lead, I should say copper jacketed lead, since it wouldn't feed lead bullets, on target, in that short a period of time, and, being able to quickly load, made it the ultimate pillow gun for me. The small size, but heavy weight, kept shots on target, and it was simply devastating at Bad Guy ranges.
I also think that full auto, it's the ultimate anti gang weapon.
And, here we have a niche for the semi-auto versions. In an area where gangs are a problem, this gun has some valid points. A semi auto version, with a 32 round clip, at car jacking ranges, or, home invaision by gangs, is certainly in the ball park with pistols. With the stock folded, in a car, you could easily defend yourself, as you could in a room, knowing they are coming. 32 rounds allows multiple rounds, on target, with no recoil, in .45 ACP.
Also, with a large jacket, and the old cobray shoulder rigs, you could carry this gun with 96 rounds of .45 ball, and, you are hard pressed to do that, with any handgun.
The old design mac was ultimate in simplicity, and the gun s are all but unbreakable. Don't know about the newer versions, and, unless I move to Florida, or Texas, I never will;-(
S
PS: For nostalgia purposes, I may have to watch 3 Days of the Condor again;-)
My MPA has been 100% reliable from round one using 230gr FMJ's.Thats the only ammo Ive tried.I wouldnt own a Sig or H&K if you gave me one (it would go straight to consignment) and I sold my Glock 21 and was glad to see it go.Thats all I need for reliability.
You actually believe that people step aside in awe when I shoot my MPA? That was OBVIOUSLY an attempt at humor and I guess I should have known that some people just wont get it.
People do however think its really cool looking and ask where they (not 100% of people mind you) can get one.HELLO....is anyone home?
A Glock with a 33 round mag looks ridiculous.A MPA with a 30 round mag looks sweet.Big difference!
Well, from a thread in The Hunt, on meth wars, I'm not sure this thing doesn't have a position as a carry firearm, in a hanging holster. Just my idea of fun: running into some meth/coke freaks, cooking meth, in the forest.:barf:
All of a suddent the M1A might become the prefered hunting rifle, with a 20 round magazine, except in Kali, where we have probably more of these idiots then anywhere, and, where the problem started in the first place, thanks to the Mexican mobs.
Only they get 20-30 round clips.
S
All of a suddent the M1A might become the prefered hunting rifle, with a 20 round magazine, except in Kali, where we have probably more of these idiots then anywhere, and, where the problem started in the first place, thanks to the Mexican mobs.
Only they get 20-30 round clips.
S
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