The Democratic Convention made me proud for our country

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“People in this country are ready for change and hungry for a different kind of politics and … for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.” Michelle Obama

Oh, I'm really proud of us too, we have the worst choice of candidates in my lifetime. Just when it looked like it couldn't get worse than Bush/Kerry, now we get Obama/McCain. The country is going down hill fast.

How in peoples minds Obama's physical appearance somehow supplants or ameliorates his inexperience and far left extremism is beyond me. I guess race really does mean everything to some people.
 
A lot of people already hit the nail on the head with a sledgehammer.

If at one turn you can be proud, at another, we should be ashamed. We should be ashamed because 90% of America (or at least all of the media) is focused on the sole fact that he is black (or half black). We should be ashamed that it is not the politics or the viewpoints that matter in the case of Obama. Or rather, those who actually believe in his "message" should be ashamed of themselves for being ignorant and naive enough to believe that a simple change in the executive office can magically fix the problems that have been ailing this country for so long.


These same folks should be ashamed for thinking that by restricting, limiting, banning, taxing, or otherwise throwing money at problems will make them go away. This is exactly the kind of government that Obama and capital "l" Liberals want to run (even though Repubs today are no better). This kind of government is the exact opposite of what it was envisioned and writ out to be.

So, after all this time and "progress" and all we are focusing on is the color of the man's skin, aren't we back at square one? Voting for him simply because he is black is no different than not voting for him simply because he is black.

Yeah, Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, Colin Powell are some black men I would vote for...and each of them are "more black" than Obama ever was or could ever be.
 
It was fabulous to see Obama nominated by the Democrats last night.

I am proud that my country -- no matter the fits and starts and difficulties -- has made this kind of progress on the racial front during my lifetime.

Nowhere else in the world would this happen. No other country in the world is strong enough to fight internally about something this potent for decades and decades, but still remain together and strong and committed to ideals of equal opportunity for all.

Now, I know that many (I suppose the vast majority) on this forum dislike (at least) Obama, support McCain (or others), and would vote for anybody but Obama.

I'm not trying to fight about that here. Voicing widely divergent opinions is the whole point of an election, and being able to is one of the main points of America. And that's great too.

I'm just pleased we've gotten to this stage in my lifetime.
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Years ago I actually prayed that Colin Powell would run for President. Although I disagree with his political stances he would allow people to vent this affirmative action crap without causing too much damage. You feel proud about Obama. I feel embarrassed that we have someone that couldn't pass a run of the mill security clearance background check about to become the most powerful man on earth. It's a joke. I feel embarrassed that we have someone that spent 20 years praying closely and donating his own as well as government money to Mr. "God damn America".... "The white man created HIV to kill black people" about to become POTUS.

I know a ton of highly educated people that voted for Obama during the primaries. I would ask them what positions taken by Obama coerced them to vote for him. Not a single one of them could give me an answer! At the gun show there were a ton of black people there and non of them knew Obama's history on guns. Racial issues are such a central issue to this election it's sickening.

At this point Just hope Scalia, Thomas, et. al live long enough to make it through an Obama presidency. The damage that will be done to SCOTUS could and likely will devastate the 2nd and possibly 1st amendment due to this "fairness doctrine" and campaign reform.
 
Lets face the FACTS. The ONLY REASONS that Obama is even in this is that he is black
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Funny!

I commend you for the joke...the idea that being black has been some asset in America for the last 230 years when it comes to running for President.

And I agree with you: America has turned a corner, and it's good to see.

It's great to see our nation, on this topic, has perservered through all the long decades of difficulty and has reached this point.

Obama may win, he may lose, but it's a tribute to America that we have this choice.
 
Hey Medicine Bow-(Wake up and smell the coffee..)

Doesn't make any difference what color he is. I just wonder how proud of him you will feel, when he comes to take all your guns, or ammo, etc. Reality has a way of changing views down the road.
 
Yes I`m also proud of where we`re at today:rolleyes: .As I heard today, Forty years ago a very qualified black man couldn`t get a regular job, today one with no qualifications can run for president :p. Its a sad day for our country when the only thing people supporting a candidate can talk about is his childhood cause candidate has not accomplished anything as a politician. When Obama gets beat cause he`s not qualified we`ll see where the real racist are. When that happens,racism in this country will be set back many years. Thanks goes to the Dem. party in advance for not electing a qualified, experienced black candidate thats more than just a B.S. artist and causing this racism setback.
 
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Now, I know that many (I suppose the vast majority) on this forum dislike (at least) Obama, support McCain (or others), and would vote for anybody but Obama.

I'm not trying to fight about that here. Voicing widely divergent opinions is the whole point of an election, and being able to is one of the main points of America. And that's great too.

I'm just pleased we've gotten to this stage in my lifetime.
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If you were nearly as concerned with individual freedom as you are with race, you would be nauseous at the prospect of either one of them being president.
 
If you were nearly as concerned with individual freedom as you are with race, you would be nauseous at the prospect of either one of them being president.
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So true. While I do intend to vote for McCain, it isn't because I love the guy. I don't. He turns my stomach, in particular with regards to McCain-Feingold but not limited to that. I really want for the Dems to run a candidate that isn't a hard leftist douche-bag. I would like a viable alternative, but the Dems seem unwilling or unable to provide one. As it is, as bad as he is, McCain is still the less repugnant of the 2 major candidates. He's the "Lesser of 2 Weevils". While I intensely dislike the one, I don't really think that he will hurt the republic any worse than he already has. At least we can expect the status quo from him and survive reasonably well until the next election. The other candidate, however, is simply horrid. Digging as deeply as I can into his background in order to find what I can about how he thinks and what he stands for -- and that takes some doing -- that guy just plain scares me. And Biden the blowhard is similarly repugnant.

Bad as I hate doing it, I'm going to vote negative this time. I'll cast a vote in such a way as to be voting AGAINST Obama. No, not 3rd party or abstaining because that boils down to a half vote for Obama. I'm voting a full vote against Obama. I think that McCain is someone who we can at least work with, and grudgingly tolerate, for his term in office. Not so with Obama.
 
Sarge:

If you were nearly as concerned with individual freedom as you are with race, you would be nauseous at the prospect of either one of them being president.
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Well said sir, well said.

MedicineBow, race should play absolutely NO PART in an election for anyone to any public office, let alone for POTUS.

Don't you see that because of people like you, with views like yours, it actually perpetuates racism? Anyone who MENTIONS race, perpetuates the problem of racism. Obama's whole campaign is based on race. 75% of his speech tonight was about race.

It is not a great day, or a victory for America that a black man ran for president. It would however be a great day if it had been just a MAN, minus any reference to color, that ran.

Once black, white, and whatever color can stand on a stage togehter and race is NEVER, EVER MENTIONED, even in passing, then THAT DAY, THAT DAY will be a great day for America, and great to see. Don't you get it?
 
I know a black guy who's told me stories about how so many of his (white) co-workers come up to him and try to chat him about Obama. He's said, and I quote, "It's like they feel the need to demonstrate to me how progressive and trendy they are, just because I'm the only black guy in the department, and I find it offensive." He's a Democrat himself, of course, but not one of those stupidly race-baiting ultra-leftist types.
 
Doctor Martin Luther King (a Republican) said "a person should not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character".

It seems some are just judging on the color of the skin and not content of character (Ayers, Wright, Black Liberation Theology, Marxist professors, Communist mentors). I would like our first black or woman president to be elected because they have great character and judgement, not hatred covered by MSM curtains and perfume.

Oh, I forgot the Alinsky organization who Obama worked for and the "Alinsky Method" that Obama taught in college. Remember that Hillary also wrote her Wellesly senior thesis on "The Alinsky Method". Here is from the intro of Alinsky's book "Rules for Radicals".

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.”

--Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals, 1971
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i dont care that obama is black.
I care that 42 million blacks are going to vote for him BECAUSE he is black without any knowledge or care for his positions.
 
MedicineBow, race should play absolutely NO PART in an election for anyone to any public office, let alone for POTUS.
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Exactly! And maybe we're there now.

That's why this made me proud of our country, which has fought through these issues of race, and perservered.

Only in America.
 
I knew we had it in us to nominate a minority to be a Presidential candidate, so this doesn't suprise me.

Proud? Am I proud the my country harbors a political party that found it within themselves to nominate this man?

Well, no.

Name some of his great accomplishments.

Yep, that's a pretty short list.

Proud that my country has allowed style and symbolism to triumph over substance and experience?

How on earth could I ever be proud of that?

This guy's all talk and his ultra-left wing credentials speak for themselves. I don't think he's a closet Muslim. That would at least require convictions. This guy will be whatever he thinks we want him to be.

Ultra-left wing pal of racist black ministers and unrepentent 1960s terrorists? Sure. If that's what he needed to be in Chicago to get ahead, that's what he was. Now a supposed moderate trying to run away from the most liberal voting record in the Senate? Yep, that's what he is now.
 
Lot of good thoughts here, too many to quote.

The OP is correct in that if you step back and look at the big picture, we can celebrate the removal of artificial cultural walls and the progress towards a society indifferent towards race or creed. We can take milestones like a major party nomination of an African American candidate as symbols of this progress.

But it breaks off there. I think there's an insinuation of support for Obama as a symbol of this progress. That is counterproductive. Would a nonwhite or nonmale president be a great symbol of further progress? Certainly. But should we put a man in the White House because of what that election would stand for, a symbol of progress, or what he stands for as a candidate?

I think a great deal of America forgets that the correct answer is the latter. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Obama is handsome, intelligent and charming, but a hollow socialist to his core. However, one must tiptoe around legitimate criticisms, at the risk of being being labeled a racist. As with a number of race-based initiatives, however well-intentioned, this actually increases tensions in a society that fancies itself colorblind.

I will be prouder of my countrymen and women the day we pick someone who is a good candidate, regardless of their physical attributes. If that candidate happens to be from a subset of people who have not yet been a president, I will note it in passing, realizing it bears no substantive relevance to the election. But if we insist on doing things otherwise, I'd at least ask you to write-in Alan Keyes.
 
I am proud of my country period. i don't care who is running for office or what their skin color is. Despite my grievances with govt, etc...i still live in the greatest nation on earth. And no, i am not voting for Obama.
 
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