TFL is leading the Way..In Cop Bashing

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BreacherUp,

I apologize for unfairly introducing the spectre of censorship in this thread. It was a knee-jerk reaction to the term "cop bashing" in the thread title; that and similar terms are often used in a pergorative sense to forestall discussion.

One solution to so-called bashing is for cops to calmly and rationally explain why an apparent injustice to a citizen is in fact not an injustice. I have learned a tremendous amount from cops' responses to threads in which I initially thought the citizen had been wronged. Such explanations will not eliminate all criticism, but will promote better understanding among the largest number of forum participants.
 
a Pro LEO thread (about an LEO doing a good job) is immediately locked, as "off-topic".
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the title of this thread answers your question.

tfl is leading the way........... with the help of a moderator :barf:
 
TheeBadOne said:
Conversely, a Pro LEO thread (about an LEO doing a good job) is immediately locked, as "off-topic".
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I beg you pardon?

Demonstrate evidence of this RIGHT NOW, TBO, and I will turn this blight of a forum dark forever.

You've been called on it, TBO. Make it good. No statements of opinion....specific links or silent back-off are required.

Jeff-
If you have something to say, please say it. I know you continue to try, but your message is not getting thru. Might be the lack of common capitalization. spelling and punctuation. ;)
Rich
 
gc70 wrote:
One solution to so-called bashing is for cops to calmly and rationally explain why an apparent injustice to a citizen is in fact not an injustice. I have learned a tremendous amount from cops' responses to threads in which I initially thought the citizen had been wronged. Such explanations will not eliminate all criticism, but will promote better understanding among the largest number of forum participants.
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I whole heartedly agree. Sometimes questions posed asking "why was this done" is taken as an afront, when it should not be. Often, only the answer need be explained better.
Rich, you are quite right in that
The other 98% of us need to identify each other and stop categorizing according to the 2%.
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I beg you pardon?

Demonstrate evidence of this RIGHT NOW, TBO, and I will turn this blight of a forum dark forever.

You've been called on it, TBO. Make it good. No statements of opinion....specific links or silent back-off are required.

Jeff-
If you have something to say, please say it. I know you continue to try, but your message is not getting thru. Might be the lack of common capitalization. spelling and punctuation. Rich
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Police kill at least 5 in New Orleans


WOW, Fullerton, your tax dollars at work
 
Ahhh yes, TBO.
You're correct on the last one. After Staff (which happens to be 70% LEO or former LEO....count 'em) mentioned that you were turning TFL into a mirror of every post from OfficerDown, I asked you (privately) to ease up. See this isn't a Fallen Comrades board. Though we revere all those guys (in and out of uniform) who Stand Up; it's a Civil Liberties board.

As to the other TWO examples that ostensibly prove that, on TFL, 'a Pro LEO thread (about an LEO doing a good job) is immediately locked, as "off-topic".', try this one posted in the last couple of days

You're gonna have to do a LOT better than this to garner sympathy for your plight as downtrodden fodder of Modern Man.

Go for it.
We're all watching.
Rich
 
I take any cop bashing with a grain of salt. Like someone else said 2% might be bad...and I think that's about 1% too high, IME. I think in general, your average LEO is good people and a story here and there on a forum isn't going to change my mind.
 
Too little too late....

You offer up that post as evidence?

Check out that particular posters Thread Starts.....

He posted a Pro LEO thread today......after being confronted about his posting history (bad cop stories galore). A more poignant complement to my post you could not have found. :cool:

As far as asking me to ease up, true enough.
Nobody has told you that you can't post about dead cops; just that you can't FIXATE on the issue. Moderation in all things, is a good thing.
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However, where is the equity with the post you yourself named? Posting history seems to show a fixation...... does it not? No input on your part for his actions......

That's my point. Pretty simple, pretty clear.



And just to clarify things for others out there:

I am well aware this is Rich's site. As such he can run it as he sees fit (and I have no qualms about that). The 1st Amendment deals with the Governments restriction of free speech, it had no bearing on a private web site.

IMHO Rich can do as he sees fit. I an others are just posting our observations. Rich can do as he pleases and run this site as he choses, that is beyond questioning (this part put in to hopefully avoid sidetracked arguments to the opposite).
In fact, if Rich asks me to leave, I'll go w/o comment.

TBO
 
Just like a few LEO give the rest a bad name, a few posters on this board give the rest of us - who from time to time have a valid concern about police action - a bad name.

Why can't we discuss what we see/read without being called "anti-LEO"?

Most of you have no problem going off on some politician, using the same sources usually deemed insufficient for forming an opinion on an officer’s action.

Is TFL an anti-politician forum full of politician bashing? You got it! Political discussion is often tainted with the same knee-jerk speculation you find in a "LEO bashing" thread - yet 99% of the membership has no problem jumping on the band-wagon using terms such as "congresscriters," or "demoncrats," or “___________.”

Politicians hold power - as do LEOs - and need to be kept in check by the People. The same goes for Law Enforcement. One of the ways to do this is to discuss their seemingly apparent blunders. This is why you see the "trend"... which I’m not so sure, is a trend at all. More of a way that uninformed people pass time between dinnertime and when the alarm goes off in the morning.

Don't take it personal. It's only the Internet, it's not real, remember?
 
TheeBadOne ~

Maybe I'm dense, but re the Fullerton thread, I fail to see how it proves (or even illustrates) your point. That one was not even slightly gun related.

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Exactly!

A "bad Cop" thread can be posted because "it affects our Liberties" or, in the extreme case, when pointed out the particular thread is not gun releated, the flamers come on with "The gun was on the Cop's hip, there!".

The Cop in my thread:

-is a part of the legal system in action

-has a gun on his hip

-is a positive story of LEOs in a sea of negative stories about LEOs
 
I closed the thread you used as an example, TBO - and I invited you to post it in a more appropriate place. I didn't close it for being off topic as you said.

TBO said:
Check out that particular posters Thread Starts.....

He posted a Pro LEO thread today......after being confronted about his posting history
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I'm also the one who took Wildcard to task for his thread topic choices of late.

So which is it? Am I pro-cop or anti-cop? :confused:
 
One thing that everyone, LEO and non, should consider is that old saying that first impressions count. There was a video on one of the TV reality shows a while back. It showed an officer, who'd obviously had a bad day, go ballistic on a woman for a traffic offense. I'm sure a lot of you remember it. The cop made a total horse's patoot out of himself. If this was that woman's first encounter with an LEO, I'll leave her lasting impressions to your imagination. She's probably going to have a negative opinion of all LEO's for the rest of her days, and all the king's horses and all the king's men aren't going to put her back together again.

Maybe that's happened to a few here? ;) Don't really know, but cops often don't have a clue what effect gruff behavior can have on a person. To them, it's just another stop and it's forgotten in minutes. But the person involved is never going to forget that encounter.

On the other side of the coin, cops can have bad days like anybody else. Is that an excuse or justification? Nope, but just a reminder that cops are human too. We're not robots with pre-programmed responses. The cop with the Attitude might have just come from a really bad and highly emotional call. We can't turn our emotions on and off any more than anybody else can, and the side effects can carry over to others we deal with. May not be right, but it's human.

Maybe there should be a little more understanding on both sides? ;)
 
Originally Posted by TheeBadOne
Conversely, a Pro LEO thread (about an LEO doing a good job) is immediately locked, as "off-topic".

do those count as positive police threads?
 
I have a lot of respect for the LEOs I know here in town.
However, all I needed to do was hear about the Virginia cops who arrested the New Jersey cops that were driving 110 mph through their state, then go to police forums and see other cops blasting the Va cops for not supporting the others breaking the law, to lose a lot of respect for some LEOs.
Again, I know some here in Indy that are terrific people.
 
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My particular problem (expressed many times before)

1. Press writes article about criminal gun owner. Press is immediately attacked for inaccuracy. How dare they paint all gun owners with the sorry brush of badness!

2. press writes article about cop doing something (tasering a granny, wacking a suspect... whatever). Story is immediately accepted as gospel and true demonstrating that all cops are a bunch of jackbooted thugs bent on dominating us, the peacefull patriots and tossing us into concentration camps.

WildabitexageratedbutyougetthedriftAlaska
 
What can I say? I am a member of Alpha Phi Sigma. I have had membership in Lambda Alpha Epsilon and in fact hold a gold key. I was an active member of the FOP until promoted from LEO to LEE and I resigned. I joined the IACP when promoted to Chief Law Enforcement Executive CLEE. I carried a piece of tin. I carried a sidearm. I made life or death decisions that often resulted in death. I lived. I survived. I retired and I still carry a sidearm. I come from a long line of local, state and federal law enforcement officers. I support the administration of truth, justice and believe in diversity. My former Chief of Police was a drunkard. I used to get in our shared cruiser and put his whiskey bottles in the trash before beginning patrol. He served as a detective, deputy sheriff, Chief, Sheriff for multiple terms and as a deputy jailer. He was arrested and convicted for DUI and attempting to evade, assault on a police officer and lost his pension and benefits. I am PRO honesty, PRO integrity, PRO education/training/certification and PRO gun rights/2A absolutist. My old Sheriff hired me and told me something that has stuck with me. Remember to treat people with respect and care, they can vote us out in the next election. Merit systems have changed that. It is extremely difficult to discharge a non-effective or maladjusted civilian from a law enforcement position. The FOP/Unions can be cursed and blessed for that. The only thing that must be done is to get the facts of who, what, when, where, why and how correct.
 
I fully intend to become an LEO one day, however I have a thread entitled, "Cops in California". Check it out and decide if I am anti or pro.

For the record in case you don't read it right, I am very much pro-Law Enforcement Officers.:cool:
 
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