TFL is leading the Way..In Cop Bashing

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Sorry, but you need only to open the Legal and Political section to find the proof.
Why is this? Obviously, there are quite a few LEOs on this forum. However, it is becoming more and more apparent that LEOs are constantly having to defend themselves and give the other side of the coin perspectives to such gold medal winning threads like "Cops should only carry revolvers" and JBT/German comments, etc. How many threads (on this forum) are started with "Those crazy civilains and their Constitution" and "Why do mountainmen need AKs?"
Really, it has gotten out of hand. Yes, there are some on both sides of the issue that will always stick with their team (LEO or anti-LEO).
Now, I know many want to reply by stating that the Us v. Them is highly propulgated by the LEOs. However, usually these arguments are started by the anti-LEOs. Just look at the threads.
Maybe it takes a thread such as this to mend the fences. Ladies and gentlemen, the elephant is most certainly in the room. Do we want to recognize the issuem, or pretend that this 4 ton problem will go away by itself?
Let it all hang out. This will certainly get ugly in order to get better.
 
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It only takes ONE BAD LEO and even the good ones will get sneered at from then on.

The "code of silence" needs replacing with some old fashioned individual integrity. That, and a couple of decades might start to repair the damaged reputation of our law enforcement.

No guarantees, but if LEO continues to let punk kids into the system who then continue to abuse the populace and fails to kick out the older rogue cops they'll continue to get what they deserve. No respect.
 
BreacherUp!, it has been my experience that all gun boards go through cycles. Such cycles are usually fed by the MSM and the way such things are reported and the slant given the article.

You may disagree with the above, but I really don't think you can substantiate that it doesn't happen... Any more than I can substantiate that it does. Anecdotal evidence on both sides of that stick.

People on gunboards have deep seated convictions. Therefore, such views and counterviews are bound to collide. Does that make the individuals bad? Which ones? The pro-LEO or the anti-LEO?

Or do you imply that any and all such threads should be closed immediately? Which ones? Pro-LEO, anti-LEO or both?

And then, the other side of the coin appears. Do we do the same for threads about the actions of armed citizens? No discussion of whether or not the citizen did good or the citizen did bad? Just close 'em all?
 
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Antipitas, on the contrary, I'm not asking for ANY threads/posts to be closed. As a mattter of fact, b/c the threads have not been closed, I have been able to see a growing sentiment of many of the members as anti-LEO. Hence, my thread.
Word travels quickly, in cycles as you stated, when sites become pro or anti XXX. TFL is gaining a reputation as anti-LEO.
 
Come on, folks, whether you condemn it or applaud it, one has to agree,
no law enforcement is better than our law enforcement.

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-azurefly
 
I think you are not seeing the issue clearly BU.

I, for example, have been called anti-LEO, but I am the first one to argue that point. I am very much pro-LEO. I appreciate what the good cops do, and when I have the opportunity to make their shift a bit better, or to get into the polls and vote them a pay raise, I make it happen. When something goes wrong, I try to withold judgement until I know facts. I am very much Pro good LEO.

What I am against are the LEOs who use their postion to abuse others. I consider LEOs to be professionals. They like to claim to be professionals. One of the hallmarks of a profession vs a vocation is the ability and willingness to actively police it's own ranks. I have seen and heard of a lot of cops turning a blind eye to graft, kickbacks, bribes and perks. I have seen policemen close ranks to protect their brothers who beat citizens to the ground, into a bloody unconcious mess, in public, on film, and then rough up the press who was filming the incident. I am against any police officer who is unable to stand up with a firm conviction for what is right and what is wrong, regardless of who committed the offense.

As a professional myself, I participate in keeping my profession above reproach. When I see a conflict of interest, I am not silent. When I see patient referrals being sold like stock in the stock market, I speak up. When I see a patient getting substandard care or being abused, I put a stop to it, right then, right there. I do this because the integrity of my profession is more important than any one person or entity within it.

When LEOs begin doing the same, instead of relying on Internal Affairs investigations and such, they will finally recieve the widespread respect that so many of them do indeed deserve. What gets my goat is when I am called anti-LEO because I expect LEOs to behave professionally.
 
This is the Legal and Political Forum, for gosh sakes. This is the designated spot for people to gripe about things they do not like about politics, government, the courts, and law enforcement.

Law enforcement necessarily involves cops, so one should expect to see some criticism of cops in this forum. Anyone who does not agree with a particular criticism is free to express an opposing point of view. Anyone who does not want to hear criticism about cops is free to not read some of the threads in this forum. Trying to suppress particular points of view by labeling them as "cop bashing" is nothing more than an attempt to force a form of censorship or political correctness on the forum's content.
 
gc70 makes an important point. What shall be talked about in L&P if not Bad Law. Bad law drags in with it the issue of Enforcement of that law.

I'm as disturbed by the trend here as any. But, I'll point out that not all of our LEO Brothers are disturbed by these threads...why is that?

More important, other than closing threads because they might make some LEO's uncomfortable, what direction can y'all offer to balance the Bill of Rights (eg: 1st and 2nd Amendments) against the sensitivities of our LEO compadres?

Breach? I'm honestly all ears.
Rich
 
Aside from the natural suspicion for authority that SHOULD be in the breast of every American, lets face facts. Whether we are a free people or not is debatable. But the fact that we are armed means that we, the average joe have the potential to be free. That to me is the bottom line. The only group capable of changing that equation are our LEOs. Until I hear on a regular basis that the vast majority of police REFUSE to enforce unconstitutional orders then the police force, however useful in the short term, will remain my POTENTIAL enemy.

Shawn
 
Please find anything in this thread where I have written or advocated closing threads or suppression of opinions. You have already written that in where it was never intended or implied.
Again, I spoke on the contrary. That the reason for this thread was to point out a very glaring opinion held amongst some in the LEO community and other members (backed up by the titles of threads in the L&P forum), to bring this issue to light for all members to read, and for all to clear the air, so to speak.
I'm not looking for appologies, watered-down sentiments or the like. In that same vein, many of the anti-LEOs should take into consideration the opinions of the LEOs and non-Antis so as to get a broader view of this polarized issue.
Isn't that the way of informed and intelligent people?
 
TFL is leading the Way..In Cop Bashing
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The same logic could be applied, in the reverse, about GlockTalk. GlockTalk could be considered PRO LEO at any cost. From some threads over there, replies by several LEO's including our own TBO, if you disagree with an LEO the thread dies (gets locked).

I apoligize to any LEO's on this forum that got their tender feelings hurt because someone disagrees with the way things are going in LE, tactics used, rights abused. My god, if you get this upset over debates of opinion, I can't imagine how upset you must get when someone balks at your authority, or does not snap to when you order them, you are supposed to be the Oak Trees of defense, soldiers in the Crime war, I did not know that by disagreeing with you, I would cause this outcry. I apoligize for upsetting you.

TFL is not Anti-LEO. Neither am I. I am anti corruption, anti cover up.

I promise, to all members, not just our LEO's, to never post a thread, discussion, topic, article or instance of an LEO in a bad light. I would not want to add to any more burdens you soldiers on crime carry with you on a daily basis.
 
Wildcard, no feelings hurt just reading what's in front of my eyes.
Also, I gotta call a spade a spade. Your thread and post history speaks volumes otherwise.
 
Please find anything in this thread where I have written or advocated closing threads or suppression of opinions. You have already written that in where it was never intended or implied.
Again, I spoke on the contrary.
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Breach-
We have history and I apologize when you need to correct my [perceived] nuance like this.


No, you didn't suggest closing these threads. Quite the opposite. You requested only Balance from the Members. This is always welcome. But I asked, in turn, for practical solution.

I'm not looking for apologies, watered-down sentiments or the like. In that same vein, many of the anti-LEOs should take into consideration the opinions of the LEOs and non-Antis so as to get a broader view of this polarized issue.
Isn't that the way of informed and intelligent people?
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Yes it is. Lesson for us all.....but it includes LEO Members who would take a scenario and claim the suspect "got what they deserved" when the vast majority of their fellow citizens sit in slack-jawed wonder at the sheer apparent ignorance of the statement.

We'll start with me:
LEO's-
I KNOW you joined to Serve and Protect;
I know that 98% of you do that every day.
Similarly, please know that the Law Abiding Citizens around you respect what you do and are grateful for choosing the job you chose.

Just as 2% of US should be flushed right down the toilet, 2% of you should not hold your current position. That's life. The other 98% of us need to identify each other and stop categorizing according to the 2%.

Rich
 
Wildcard, no feelings hurt just reading what's in front of my eyes.
Also, I gotta call a spade a spade. Your thread and post history speaks volumes otherwise.
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Are you sure my post history is Anti LEO? Or could it be Anti corruption, anti Police Cover up? I think it is the latter.

Either way, like I promised, no more Threads with LEO's in a bad light, you all have way to much to worry about, no need to read that someone disagrees with you.
 
I support police a lot. But like marines (jarhead) and other people who serve they have their nicknames. Im sure a majority of the folks here are sarcastic when they say most of what they say.

The US wouldn't be what it is today without the police and firefighters who protect us all.


Yes Ill openly admit a couple times ive poke fun. But ive never seriously meant it.
 
when the vast majority of their fellow citizens sit in slack-jawed wonder
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how could you know this? you can't. again you display your skills at speaking for people, putting words in peoples mouths and twisting the logic to your advantage.

why can't you ever just speak the truth?
 
IMHO what speaks volumes is that any thread showing LEOs in a bad light (by there own actions or appearance) is deemed acceptable and on topic.

Conversely, a Pro LEO thread (about an LEO doing a good job) is immediately locked, as "off-topic".

So you see, it's okay to bitch about "The Police", but nothing else.

So I put it to you, if all we can do is complain about the Police while locking out all else, where does that lay in the "Us/Them" continuem.......:confused:
 
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