Terrible NRA CCW Course

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"You could have written them several letters in the time you've taken with this thread."

And then it could have been trashed by some intern and that be that. Or maybe I'd get a letter back apologizing and promising it would be looked into. At least this way the people who have read the thread know about my experience.
 
v8fbird,

I assume by what you have posted that this is the range you typically shoot at, right?

Is it practical to go somewhere else?

If so, I would name names in regards to their retardidity and poor job, then just go somewhere else.

There is a range here that my wife and I used to go to that had a few guys that felt it was necessary to constantly try to convince everyone how cool they were. My wife and I at first just got a real chuckle over it...apparently they have never learned the lesson that "you never know what they guy you are bragging to might have actually done".

However, it just got REALLY old. Changed homes (ranges) and have been very happy with the change.
 
No, I haven't. I may or may not write an anonymous letter. These guys WERE the NRA training department. These guys are some of the NRA's range instructors. These are some of the people that are probably THERE every single time I go to the range. I'd prefer to not have my name remembered and associated with "the guy who had problems with what we taught."
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Why in the world would you even consider writing an anonymous letter? If something isn't right, stand up and ask them about it.

You are mistaken - the people who ran this class are NOT the employees of the training department.

Not to mention the fact that I don't have the time to write every letter and make every call that I would like to.
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You had time to write it up for posting on the internet the subsequently defend it. Come on now... that's an excuse.

Randy
 
If I'd actually burned a flag, they'd probably defend it as my right.
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Oh, then you obviously haven't heard of that preacher who has announced his intent to murder anyone who burns a flag.
 
And then it could have been trashed by some intern and that be that. Or maybe I'd get a letter back apologizing and promising it would be looked into.
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Address the letter(s) to Mr. Lander, Mr, Quandahl, Mr. Howard, and/or Mr. Sipes. Trust me - it will reach the proper desk(s).

At least this way the people who have read the thread know about my experience.
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Right - and the people who have read your complaint can do exactly NOTHING for you.

Straight up dude, if you don't have the scrotal fortitude to address this problem with the people who have the ability to make it right for the next person, don't bother posting about it anonymously on the internet.

Randy
 
Ok,

Randy, smince, here's the real excuse:

I don't WANT to. I am too lazy to. I am not convinced it would do any good. I WANTED to post it here, that's why I posted it here. I don't WANT to write the letter, that's why I probably won't write the letter.

Smince, I'm glad you are so much more of a responsible citizen than am I. Randy, I am glad you are so much braver than my cowardly self.




Raptor,

I really don't know of any other ranges in northern virginia. I know there must be a few, but I seriously doubt they are as easily accessible to me as is the NRA range. Sometimes it is hard to get away from idiots; that's why I figured I would just keep my mouth shut.

I'm glad it worked out for you.



Heist,

Haha, no. I'd be really curious to read about that one. Do you happen to have a link handy?
 
"Why? Don't read the thread anymore. Most everyone else seems to think there is something to be gained from reading the thread."

Don't read or post unless I agree with you?


"I may or may not write an anonymous letter"

There you go...show 'em what you're made of!:rolleyes:
 
Dc?

You say that these guys WERE the NRA training department. I have known some of those guys in the past, why don't you go ahead and name names?
If any head-honchos were involved in this silliness I would personally like to know which ones.

If the instructors were at the top of the NRA training program food chain, I guess you must have completed this course around the Washington D.C. area, right?

If not, then they are Local NRA reps and are entirely open to criticism from anyone they may piss off. You are right that the NRA would probably not dismiss their head of training programs just because they irritated one person, but your assumption that your complaint would not be taken seriously is just plain wrong.

They are quite serious about maintaining a safe and normal atmosphere in their programs. Your complaint could help this be reestablished in your area.

If you are so concerned about persecution from the horrible NRA, go ahead and set up an e-mail account without your personal information attached to it and bounce them off an anonymous e-mail.

I'm pretty sure they will not hire south american hitmen to wax you or try to ruin your reputation or whatever else you seem to be so frightened of...
 
v8fbird - Did the instructors use the word "weapon" in class? I'm a certified instructor and in my lesson plans it clearly says not to use that word since it has such a negative connotation. Just curious.
 
"v8fbird - Did the instructors use the word "weapon" in class? I'm a certified instructor and in my lesson plans it clearly says not to use that word since it has such a negative connotation. Just curious."

I honestly can't remember. If I had to guess, I would say no.
 
Are there any NRA instructors who can comment on this and who would maybe open a dialogue with the instructors in the class described? It would be good if they can be "salvaged", so to speak.

v8fbird:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=208893

The most interesting post mysteriously vanished, but paraphrased, it was like so: "I CCW, and if someone started resisting physically and fighting back while I was beating someone up for burning a flag, I would be justified to shoot them as I am an old man with back problems and it would be a disparity of force. :)"
 
Alright, I guess if this thing didn't irritate you enough to dislodge you from your lazyness, there is something wrong with this story...

It seemed credible to me at first, but now seems to me like this is more about your weird, counterproductive hatred for that only organization that can really make an impact on political gun debate.

I now think that your statements can only be an exageration of what really happened in this class. If it happened exactly the way you said, but didn't irritate you enough to devote 5min of your time to an official complaint...
Well, that's real strange.

Did you even take a CCW class or are you just trying to discredit the NRA instructional programs for some little personal slight you felt was directed your way by some NRA rep way back who knows when?

It was probably well deserved.
 
"You'd think v8firebird had gone out and burned a flag, judging from the unseemly attacks that keep being leveled at him."



Hey Heist, how about that last one? ;)
 
"Did you even take a CCW class or are you just trying to discredit the NRA instructional programs for some little personal slight you felt was directed your way by some NRA rep way back who knows when?"



How's that, cupcake?
 

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I live near Shootrite Academy ran by Tiger McKee, a former Thunder Ranch instructor. Besides true CCW/Defensive handgun courses, he teaches NRA courses. This is how they are broken down on his course schedule.

NRA Certified Instruction
The NRA courses teaches the new owner or beginner to the safe methods of handling and operation of the pistol or rifle. NRA Personal Protection provides the new owner or beginner the basics in using the pistol for self protection.

NRA First Steps Pistol
This basic class introduces the beginner or new owner of a handgun how to safely handle, manipulate, and shoot their particular type of pistol as well as storage and cleaning. 3 hours, 50 rounds


NRA Basic Pistol
Basic Pistol is a complete introduction to all types of pistols. The student will learn how to safely identify, handle, and operate various pistols. Class also covers topics such as ammunition, storage, and the basic firing positions used with the pistol. 12 hours, 300 rounds


NRA Personal Protection
The Personal Protection class teaches the new owner or beginner how to use their firearm for self defense. Starting with the very basics, this class introduces the student to safe handling and firing of the pistol and then expands into self defense applications. Personal Protection also introduces the protective mindset and avoidance tactics. 14 hours, 300 rounds
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Anyway, I took my CCW class yesterday night.
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First Steps isn't meant or designed to be a "CCW Course".
 
Ha! First Steps... "see that button on your fancy german pistol... that's the magazine release. Nope, not the slide release, the button. No, now keep your finger off that, that's the trigger..."

Is that pretty much how it went down?

A JPFO member who carries a Walther of all things... Interesting.
 
"Ha! First Steps... "see that button on your fancy german pistol... that's the magazine release. Nope, not the slide release, the button. No, now keep your finger off that, that's the trigger..."
Is that pretty much how it went down?
A JPFO member who carries a Walther of all things... Interesting."

Alright hotshot, you just made quite a few assumptions, none of which is right.

You assumed that I am a member of JPFO. I am not.

Judging by your suggesting me as a dichotomy for being a JPFO member and carrying a German gun, you seem to assume that I am Jewish. I am not.

I can only guess you assumed I was Jewish because you assumed I was a member of JPFO. Thus you assumed that only Jews can be members of JPFO. That is not the case.

From the JPFO website:

To answer a question we get frequently: You do NOT have to be Jewish to join!
http://www.jpfo.org/member.htm



Finally, you assumed I will be carrying the p99 because that was what I used to qualify. That may or may not be true.



To sum up, I do not belong to JPFO. I am German, by descent, but that has nothing to do with my German gun (actually, it wasn't made in Germany, I don't think). I am Christian, not Jewish. JPFO is open to anyone who supports their cause. I most likely will be carrying a Glock 22.





"First Steps isn't meant or designed to be a "CCW Course"."

When I signed up, they had it listed as their CCW course. When I took it, it was their first steps course. The course was ENTIRELY about carrying concealed. That leads me to believe that their first steps pistol course IS meant to be for CCW.
 
Jeez, sorry... You were the one praising the JPFO and calling the NRA pro-gun-control.

I suspected you were not a descendent of Gideon anyway. Those fine folks tend to try to agressively change a situation they find distasteful, rather than whining endlessly with no action.

I like cupcakes :)
 
Well 8bird, I'm not about to pile on here...but I would like to know why you also post as WoodsWally. That just doesn't seem right. Heck, it may even be against the rules.

OK, sorry...I guess I will pile on a bit; Any favorable word, or whatever kind of mealymouthed compliment you gave Gore, ...who was VP for one of the most anti 2nd Ammendment administrations ever,... goes against my grain. At least Bush is pro-gun.

Right WoodsWally?
 
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