Ted Nugent too radical???

Yeah, and let he who is among you who is without sin cast the first stone.

Everyone has something in their past...something they've said or done that can be twisted and used to cast a shadow over them so their message will not be heard or heeded.

So the guy made a billion bucks as a rocker, so what. Thats what rockbands do, its mostly about the chicks and money. So he was a little more outspoken with his lyrics than your 50's bands were but they all sing about the same thing. Maybe you think Roy Orbison wasn't talking about sex in his Pretty Woman song.

So Ted was just as outspoken in his lyrics as a musician as he is about his later in life politics. Why wouldn't he be? It doesn't make him wrong, and the pedophile comment was a cheap shot. You're just jealous you don't have a billion bucks.

Wayne is right.

I see Ted's point about the non NRA members also. If your not part of the solution, your the problem.
 
So the guy made a billion bucks as a rocker, so what. Thats what rockbands do, its mostly about the chicks and money. So he was a little more outspoken with his lyrics than your 50's bands were but they all sing about the same thing. Maybe you think Roy Orbison wasn't talking about sex in his Pretty Woman song.
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The guy made a billion bucks degrading women and screaming about cunnilingus and fellatio. And Roy Orbison didn't sing "Pretty woman, walking down the street, Pretty woman, I wish she'd yank my meat"....That's the difference...And who said anything about "my" 50's bands? Did you ever hear Carlos Santana, who is 10 times the musician Nugent is, which is why he doesn't have to rely on a gimmick to be successful, sing about getting his meat yanked or getting a BJ? Nugent made his name on that crap, still makes money from it, and is still a piece of hypocritical sht. But that's just my opinion, of course...

So Ted was just as outspoken in his lyrics as a musician as he is about his later in life politics. Why wouldn't he be? It doesn't make him wrong, and the pedophile comment was a cheap shot. You're just jealous you don't have a billion bucks.
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You're right, of course...I'm sure if you asked him, Ted would say that Nadine the teenage queen was really an adult, or at least past the age of consent, so it would only be a MINOR form of criminal sexual conduct. Besides, Ted says he wants all child molesters killed, right? He'd never chance having to kill himself by indulging in an underage piece of rockstar poontang, would he?

And how was it that Ted avoided being drafted? He's about the right age, and judging by how he flew around all those stages, I'd imagine he was in pretty good shape. I'm sure that if he'd been in the military he'd be bragging about it....So how did this great American avoid service?

Nugent avoided the draft during the Vietnam War. In an interview for the July 15, 1990 Detroit Free Press Magazine, Nugent detailed how he avoided the draft:

"He claims that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. ‘... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody.’"
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Yeah, Ted would have whacked them all.....Thank GOD someone else went to Vietnam instead of Ted....He might have been killed and never been able to give us "Wang, Bang, Sweet Poontang"!!
 
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What is it with the draft, anyway? I believe, personally, that draft-dodging is a morally non-reprehensible thing to do. Remember, the 13th amendment? The slavery thing? How is the draft different from slavery?
 
I know some people are gonna hate me for this, but...

It's radical dudes like Ted Nugent that are keeping me out of the NRA... The idea of joining an organization with a guy like that speaking for it is a little iffy to me.

Also, even though I still *do* want to join, there's no way my parents are gonna let me untill I move out... Once again, thanks to those 'crazies at the top' (as an ex-friend called them).

Maybe if the NRA got a less extreme image for a month or two, I'd be able to convince my parents to let me join? :-\
 
The NRA is supposed to be a civil rights group. A civil rights groups is supposed to be radical. Do you imagine the ACLU, in the 1960's, saying "All we need is enforcement of the existing segregation laws, we need no new one", or do you think that the stand they [and Charlton Heston] took back then was admirable?

The role of a civil rights group is to protect those whose rights are being violated - those who are unpopular, thus. It is the purpose of a civil rights groups to protect the minority from the majority.

Has the NRA said anything about repealing the length limits on rifles and shotguns, clearly unconstitutional [as an arbitrary law] as it is?

Has the NRA said anything about repealing the registrations requirement on silencers, clearly unconstitutional and harmful to the health of America's people as it is?

Has the NRA said anything about repealing the Sullivan Act, clearly unconstitutional as it is?

No? Then what are you talking about when you say 'radical'? :)
 
MicroBalrog...

I don't know if you were talking to me or not... But on the off chance you are, I agree that being 'radical' is a good thing. Allow me to better explain my views though...

Where he yells To show you how radical I am, I want carjackers dead. I want rapists dead. I want burglars dead. I want child molesters dead. I want the bad guys dead. No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead. Get a gun and when they attack you, shoot 'em.", I fully agree with his idea/intent... But for some reason, that doesn't register as something that's going to help non-gunners consider us gunners as friendly people.

Sure, it'll get the crowd roaring, and inspire people who are already pro-gun (IE, NRA members)... But it also turns away ex-potential-members because it makes the NRA look, for lack of a better term, like a bunch of loonies...

Even though it would probably bore the h*** out of crowds, I think the NRA needs a bit more reserved speakers at events. People who won't intimidate undecided people into thinking the NRA is full of extremists. Speakers who will give more of a lecture than a pep rally...

Flame me all you wont for saying that... But yeah. I just don't see how yelling 'death to all criminals' is going to do anything more than inspire people who are already members, and make the NRA look bad.

(On the other hand... I suppose some non-gunner could see him, and think "hey, this guy hates crime as much as I do" and join... But guessing based off the people who live where I do, I doubt it would do that enough to offset the number of people turned away...)

As a summary... I agree with Ted's message, but the delivery's not so good.

*Puts on flame suit.*
 
I love that guy. He makes me want the Glock 20 even more. He also makes me wanna renew my NRA membership and go to a BBQ. I enrolled in the NRA at age 18 but my membership expired due to lack of funds a year or two ago--what can I say--I am a po college boy. I think I can find the funds for another 2 or 3 years. And then, maybe, just maybe, if I save my pennies I can buy some 10mm am-er I mean a life time membership.
I do have to say that while I completely agree that we should refuse to be victims and that these people do deserve to be shot, I also believe that survivers are entitled to a fair trial and that we'd be foolish as gun owners and as Americans to embrace the 2nd Amendment, but not the 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th. My policy is; theives, rapists, and murders will be shot. Survivers will be prosecuted and thrown in a dark hole with no cigs or cable TV.

Maybe if the NRA got a less extreme image for a month or two, I'd be able to convince my parents to let me join? :-\
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Maybe if they were more politically correct and less "radical" they could increase their membership, but then, it probably wouldn't be the members they want or need. By keeping it real, and radical, the NRA appeals to quality and not necessarily to quantity of its membership base. If you don't agree with a no compromise approach to your individual liberties, don't join the NRA. I don't think they'll miss you because right now, frankly, I think remaining true to their roots and message is more important to them than bowing to political pressure for a few more members.

And Frank, seriously, who do you think you're fooling? As if sex isn't occupying the minds of most guys most of the time. That is what guy's think about. He couldn't have made that money if no one was buying his albums. I haven't seen where he ever advocated molesting children or raping anyone. It's music. Listen to it or don't. I don't, but I don't label the guy a petifile either. People have made money singing far worse than Ted. In the meantime, Ted is actually trying to restore unity and pride among gun owners because he understands this is the only way to regain the initiative we as gun owners lost long before I could do anything about it. That must have been your generation. In the meantime, Ted's argument remains logical--if all gun owners were also members of the NRA, the opposition would be a joke. An NRA with 65+ million members would be one of the largest voting constituencies in the country. Hell, California only has 35 million people. If the Brady Bunch despises the NRA for its influence now, imagine their reactions then. And why not? It would be a very bad day for her cause and her organization. Brady is the enemy. Whatever is bad for the enemy is good for me. But we if don't hang together, we'll surely hang seperately. So before we can look out for our best interests, we better figure out what the hell is so God **** appealing about caving to the political pressures that got us here, cowering on the defensive, afraid to speak our minds, in the first place--and how one person speaking out publically against our condition is more frightening than the condition itself.

Two thumbs up to Uncle Ted.
 
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I probably wouldn't shoot a theif unless they were stealing from me directly. In the case of a shoplifter, I'd probably be satisfied with beating the crap out of them then cutting their left thumb off. But I wouldn't blame the shopkeeper for shooting them either.

It is all about risk v reward. When the risk and consequences far outweighs any potential rewards, crime will cease to be profitible.
 
Micro,

There is a HUGE difference between a message itself a how the message is packaged. You can still make a very powerful and rousing speech about RKBA without positioning yourself like a nutjob. When he makes the comment of “No court case. No parole. No early release. I want 'em dead” he is treading into the territory of vigilantism, not a smart thing to do if you’re trying to represent law-abiding folks who just want to defend themselves.

What do you think is going to be more persuasive to the average guy walking down the street, a message about how gun laws help predators by making good people defenseless and how the right to defend oneself is as fundamental as the right to religion and the right to free speech, or “F___ Gun Control”. Which one is a better message to send?

These comments are simply insane.

“he NRA members should only associate with other members. "No one is allowed at our barbecues unless they are an NRA member. Do that in your life."

Nugent, who walked onto the stage with a large assault weapon in each hand, said those who support gun control aren't the enemy.

"They are a joke," he said. "Our enemy is the gun owners that don't belong to the NRA."

How is the NRA supposed to recruit more people, who by definition are non-NRA, if you intentionally don’t associate with them and exclude them from you social functions?

I am not a member of the NRA but I am a member of GOA, JPFO, and the 2nd Amendment foundation, so I guess that makes me his enemy. Maybe I should sell my guns, donate to and join The Brady bunch, because by Ted’s “logic” I will not be an enemy at that point.
 
She shuddered as she walked the streets.

Let me explain this to you thusly, Glock Glockler. When you search the database of speeches by Wayne LaPierre, Kayne Robinson, etc. for the word 'repeal', it will bring up 0 results. Literally. Those are people who are giving money for the enforcement of blatantly unconstitutional gun laws. Those are the people who have repeatedly destroyed attempts to get Vermont bills passed. Those are the people who helped write the Brady Bill. The NRA has kept a defensive
we-are-her-for-duck-hunters posture for years. That posture must go.

The NRA needs to run full-page ads in American Rifleman telling it's members about jury nullification and how they can let people go if the're being convicted under those BS laws.

The NRA needs to start an activist campaign against gun control like MLK did against segregation. The message that needs to becoming accross via every possible channel: The National Firearms Act is a violation of the 2nd, 5th, 9th, and 10th Amendment, and it must be repealed. Gun control must die. May-issue laws are discriminatory, useless measures and they must be repealed. Gun control must die. The Gun Control Act is a violation of the 2nd, 5th, 9th, and 10th Amendment. Gun control must die.

We have long enough been getting the message out that gun control is "just another issuE" , that we want to compromise, that we want to settle. We don't. We want to win.

Yes, Ted Nugent might be rude. But he's got infinitely more spine than LaPierre nd his ilk. Yes, he' no Cato of Utica, but he's the best we have there.
 
In the case of a shoplifter, I'd probably be satisfied with beating the crap out of them then cutting their left thumb off.
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It's called the "Taliban Solution." Worked for them.
 
Let me explain this to you thusly, Glock Glockler. When you search the database of speeches by Wayne LaPierre, Kayne Robinson, etc. for the word 'repeal', it will bring up 0 results. Literally.
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What exactly does that "explain"? If you search "Ted Nugent" and "Poontang" you get 800 hits..."Ted Nugent" and "Statutory Rape" almost 200 hits....That doesn't explain anything about the guy whose face is a Maserati, does it?

someone mentioned Ted Nugent's book. What is the title of his book?
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Is it "God, Guns and Gonorrhea"? I think I leafed through that one. There's a pic of him whacking an elephant. Does he eat elephants or just enjoy stalking and whacking em??? I don't care one way or the other, because the elephant is responsible for more highway deaths in America than the good 'ole whitetail (I'm using "whitetail" as a game animal, not as a euphamism for suburban teenaged poontang) so Ted can kill and grill as many African or Asian elephants as he wants. I was just wondering why we'd have to hear about him hunting ANYTHING for a couple years after killing an elephant. You'd think that baby would feed him and all his ex wives, girlfriends, kids, etc...for years....The Woodland Creature's Benevolent Association on his private hunting "preserve" probably had a party when they heard he'd whacked an elephant, thinking they'd be safe from his BBQ's for quite some time.

Seriously though, isn't him shooting elephants kinda like those damn white men he talks about in "Great White Buffalo"? You think he'll give me a foot for an umbrella stand? Or the tusks or teeth to make some nice grips for my SAA and 1911??? You can't eat the tusks can you? I enjoy eating tasty wildlife too, but I get the impression that if the DNR would approve a season for hunting deer with a B-52, Ted would sign up for flight school...
 
Gee Frank: one might get the impression you have a personal issue with Ted Nugent...

Are some of his lyrics obscene? Yep... no doubt about it. Is he using his lyrics to promote the NRA, or gun ownership? Not that I've noticed. So all the ranting about his lyrics (or even his lifestyle) is kinda off topic, ain't it?
 
Gee Frank: one might get the impression you have a personal issue with Ted Nugent...
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I actually liked the music a long time ago before my tastes changed. Even saw him play at the local high school, but I think the lyrics are very germane to his status as a spokesman for the NRA. He makes a whole career and living off of pandering to the "I love poontang" crowd, and then tries to pass himself off as a family oriented role model/spokesperson for a conservative group like the NRA? I don't think so. I don't have anything against the guy at all personally, I just think his position with the NRA is total hypocrisy. I thought the NRA was about American values as well as gun rights. Ted Nugent is not about American values. I bet he'd get more people to join the NRA if he pledged to not bathe or change clothes for a 2 months, and crap his pants on TV for 2 weeks straight like he did to dodge the draft than he will with his current strategy. At least when he was a rocker he played more than one chord. In his position as "spokesman" he keeps playing the same, uninspired note, over, and over, and over.....
 
Micro,

Allow me to explain this to you thusly, there are certain ways to be persuasive and other ways to be offensive, it's good to keep in mind which tactics evoke which responses. Last week I actually asked many people what they thought of Ted Nugent and the response was overwhelmingly negative, even though a few people were gun owners and hunters. The basic reason was that he comes off as 'arrogant, pompous, psychotic, perverted' etc. It was from a pretty good cross section of people but the point is that he's not making himself endearing, what he is doing is causing controversy over himself at the expense of the RKBA movement.

Think of it this way for a minute: we're both essentially selling products, us and the antis, but it's pretty conclusive that what we're selling is gold and what they have is crap, so why are they generally getter at it than us? Why can they successfully market absolute nonsense and we have a tough time even using a weapon for legitimate self-defense without needing serious legal issues? It seems to me that they are quite exemplary at selling and we are...not. Perhaps we should learn a little bit from them, so did they get to where they are by trying to be radical with their message or did they promote their message as being mainstream, common sense, and for the children?

Ted Nugent is doing a magnificent job at reinforcing the negative stereotype of gun owners, so thanks but no thanks, I'd prefer he just go off and hunt and stop trying to be an advocate for RKBA.
 
Frank, so can we at least agree on his message, if not his method of delivering it?
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To be honest with you, and I'm not trying to be facetious, I tune the guy out so quick that I don't know WHAT his message is!!! If it's "Kill all criminals", no I don't agree with the message. If it's "Gun rights are too restrictive" I'm not sure I agree with that either. If it's "Gun rights shouldn't be more restrictive" I probably agree with that. If it's "Everyone should whack their own food" I don't agree with that either....If everyone was whacking their own food, I don't think there would be enough wild game out there for everyone to eat. You'd have to start going to the slaughterhouse with your gun, take a number, then wait for your food to be next in line and then whack it. If it's "Journey to the Cener of Your Mind was not about drugs" I don't agree with that one....
 
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