TED NUGENT, a good spokesman for us?

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original by Antipitas: And a lot of people (more than you would suspect) own only 1 firearm. So distribution tends to even out.

It would have to be a "lot" more than I suspect. I know a lot of hunters and a lot of gun owners from Maine to Washington to Alabama and lots of places in between including some in your part of the country and I don;t know any that have less than a half dozen or so and some even more than I have. Maybe it does even out but the point is the same.

original by Antipitas: Why? When we are so splintered into factions, there is no single "population" to contend with.

That, unforturnately applies to us also. I know for a fact that there is dissension in the ranks of the hunters. Archery hunters don't like the black powder hunters, neither liket the gun hunters and the d#@ spear hunters (legal method in Alabama) don;t like no body. And I see post occasionally that indicate that there is dissension amongust we gun owners also. Some think it is not neccessary to be able to own automatic weapons and so on.

My point is that we as gun owners need to be good stewarts of the second amendment. We don't need to be going around with our chest poked out and a copy of the constitution in our pocket, looking down our noses and snapping at the enemy.
 
My point is that we as gun owners need to be good stewarts of the second amendment. We don't need to be going around with our chest poked out and a copy of the constitution in our pocket, looking down our noses and snapping at the enemy.

Why not, it's how they treat us gunowners. If everyone had Ted's in your face attitude then maybe we'd still have some of our rights left.

Look at how far the politically correct blissninny attitude has gotten us.
 
I am in my fifties:eek: and all my life it has been a battle to keep our gun rights. It never stops and it never will so we need as many allies as possible. Ted is a true believer in American freedoms and alot of people can be swayed by him.

I say more power to him and if enough people felt as strong about pro gun positions the constant fight would be over.

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BIGJACK said:
Al said:
Why? When we are so splintered into factions, there is no single "population" to contend with.
That, unforturnately applies to us [hunters] also.
Perhaps I wasn't as clear as I could have been. I meant all the various factions between hunters and gun owners in general. All of them.
BIGJACK said:
My point is that we as gun owners need to be good stewarts of the second amendment. We don't need to be going around with our chest poked out and a copy of the constitution in our pocket, looking down our noses and snapping at the enemy.
When many people don't even know what is in the Constitution, whyever not? I've had the happy occasion to make statements about what our rights are and many people have said, "Where's that in the Constitution?" So I whip out my pocket copy and show them. Most times they are amazed. Sometimes they actually start doing a little reading on their own. Educating them is better than berating them.

I would much rather have an informed person disagree with me than simple disagreement because of the way they "feel." I can't dialogue with emotions.

But that's the ordinary non-gun toting, non-hunting person. For those of us that do hunt, do own/use guns, the same tactics don't often work. Brother Ted uses shame. He talks down to them because of their own self-indulged ignorance. I can't see that this is inherently wrong.

We need to face facts. The NRA has changed in the last 40 years. They are much more than a simple shooting and hunting organization. The NRA still gets things wrong. This won't change until we get more members that truly believe, not just in the Second Amendment, but all of our inalienable rights. There are plenty of people in the style of Heston. Few are as in-your-face as Bro Ted. But then Ted makes up for several of the politically correct types. It balances out, in my mind.

If you look at this thread alone, you see a pretty even split on what style people like. I'm of the opinion that I'm tired of pussy-footing around. When I campaigned for mayor, I wore my vaquero. I didn't lose the race by much. The vaquero was a conversation starter and a political asset -- In-Your-Face attitudes can be an asset.
 
[QUOTEIf you look at this thread alone, you see a pretty even split on what style people like. I'm of the opinion that I'm tired of pussy-footing around. When I campaigned for mayor, I wore my vaquero. I didn't lose the race by much. ][/QUOTE]

Should have worn a Colt SAA and people would have recognized a higher class of gun owner:D :D Heck I would have voted for you then :) :p :D

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Just a joke now, thanks for supporting our gun rights. We need more people like you.
 
On the one hand I believe this is the first time on record I can agree with BJ. IMHO the Nuge is a difficult character and what are we doing with somebody like him as a spokesman? :cool:

On the other hand compared to all the sleezes in the music industry he is not so bad. :barf:

On the other other hand it is too bad we have degenerated so much that we actually take rock musicians seriously. :rolleyes:
 
[QUOTEOn the other other hand it is too bad we have degenerated so much that we actually take rock musicians seriously. ][/QUOTE]

Yes our standards have decreased to the point that our young no longer believe anyone. They do believe in a lifestyle though and to get them interested in shooting and hunting is a good thing to me. I would rather have Ted for a neighbor than any antigun liberal.

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original by Antipitas: I didn't lose the race by much. The vaquero was a conversation starter and a political asset -- In-Your-Face attitudes can be an asset.

Thats sort of the point that I wish to make. In many cases especially in the case of gun laws its not good enough to come in second, or to not loose by much. As a World Wide Engineering Consultant, for many years I had that "In your face attitude," because I had something that few other Engineers in my field had. That attitude caused me to come in second a few times and I realized that comming in second was not what I wanted. I found it to be sort of like kissing your sister, so as I aged I forced myself to spend a little greater effort in educating them before going "all in."

As implied in the original post, I am a Nugent fan and his attitude don;t offend me, my family probaly thinks my hunting and shooting might offend him should he look in one of my freezers and see critters that swim, fly, slither, walk and run looking back at him. KILLUM AND GRILLUM!
 
BIGJACK said:
Thats sort of the point that I wish to make. In many cases especially in the case of gun laws its not good enough to come in second, or to not loose by much.
Oh, I don't know... For a first time ever run, losing by 32 votes out of ~1200 cast, against the incumbant... The incumbant spent just short of 10K and drummed every door in town. I spent $200 and just showed up at the coffee shops. I don't consider that bad at all. No unknown has ever done this well in our town.

Too, the programs and many of the reforms I ran on, are currently being implimented. This was a loss, how exactly?

In this, I see the Nuge doing much the same. A "loss" is not always the same as losing.
 
Ted's probably not somebody that I'd ever find myself in a social situation with, even if we were neighbors. However, I pretty much agree with shooting bad guys who attack you. The only justice for society's parasites is their ceasing to exist, just like tapeworms, etc.

Ted's comments about shooting bad guys are racist, only to the extent that an overwhelming percentage of all violent crime in the U.S. is committed by the two racial "minorities" (depends on where you live, if they're truly minorities) that comprise the Democratic political base. Ted speaks for Ted. I haven't nominated or elected him to speak for me in any venue.
 
but there are a lot of gun owners out there that would rather not act as wolves in sheeps wool
And some of us would rather not have our spokesmen act like jackasses

Ted's comments about shooting bad guys are racist, only to the extent that an overwhelming percentage of all violent crime in the U.S. is committed by the two racial "minorities"
Since I am the only one, as far as I can tell, that has brought up his borderline racism, I'll assume that this was directed at my comment.

Nowhere in that comment did I even vaguely imply that his stance on shooting criminals had anything to do with racism.

It's his speak English or get out comments that I was referring to more than that.
 
Well, I like him just because wildak. does not.:D Okay, actually the first time I saw him on the tube I didn't care for him to much. After watching him for awhile now and seeing what he has done for kids and the troops, let alone his wildlife conservation work, he would make a great "outspokesman" for us.
And remember Joab, we are all "Rascist".
 
Ted nugent is one of those guys that can just make sense with anything he says. I am a middle of the road guy but i dig what nugent says.
 
My point is that we as gun owners need to be good stewarts of the second amendment. We don't need to be going around with our chest poked out and a copy of the constitution in our pocket, looking down our noses and snapping at the enemy.


I think we do. I think gun owners need to get more and more vocal about our rights, and I do wish all gun owners would actually join the NRA, then vote.

One of the main reasons the antis (who actually are way outnumbered in this nation buy pro gun people) have gotten all the gains they have, is because gun owners have sat back and not fired back. Sat back and tried to be politically correct, not offend, don't want them seeing us gun owners as hostile, etc.
That's exactly the types of reactions that are allowing them to take the 2nd Amendment away from us piece by piece.
We outnumber the antis, yet they're still chipping away. If 60 million gun owners all belonged to the NRA and voted pro gun votes, there's a good chance the areas of the country that don't allow handguns or concealed carry would be reversed. There's even a chance more states would allow Vermont carry, which is what the 2nd Amendment guarantees us.
Paying to get a carry permit is paying the government for a right we already have. Yet they get away with it because only roughly 2 of the 60 million gun owners will join the gun groups and vote for their rights.
 
Needs Schooling

Ted nugent needs to learn etiquete.

He should attend the Frankin And Moore School Of Social Graces. After that he should be well tolerated by all.

One final comment.

If you had a teenage daughter, which Ted would you entrust her care to for a weekend first?
 
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