Taurus quality
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kilimanjaro
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I've got two Taurus rimfire revolvers, absolutely nothing wrong with either one of them.....haven't tried a semiauto from Taurus, so no opinion there.
Taurus makes good guns.
Over the years I've had several. Right now, I have four:
These have all been fantastic guns, and I trust them completely. The 617 and 605 have been with me for around 10 years, and have lots of rounds through them. The TCP is nearly new.
Any manufacturer can have problems. I've had a broken Walther and Glock so far, but no broken Taurus. Ruger and Kimber have recently had some problems with some models. Taurus has, as well over the years. I haven't had to use it yet, but Taurus has a lifetime warranty on all their firearms, and they advertise that they were the first in the industry to offer one. I haven't researched to see if that's true or not, but that's their claim. Several manufacturers offer them now. From what I've read this past year or so, they've gotten quicker in servicing the guns now, as well.
What's pathetic are posts by some people who say things like "I've never owned one and I never will because their quality sucks." Those people aren't even worth listening to. If they haven't got any experience, then don't say anything!
Over the years I've had several. Right now, I have four:
- Taurus 617 (7-shot snub .357 titanium)
- Taurus 605 (5-shot .357 steel)
- Taurus Raging Bull .454 Casull
- Taurus 738 TCP (.380 semi-automatic)
These have all been fantastic guns, and I trust them completely. The 617 and 605 have been with me for around 10 years, and have lots of rounds through them. The TCP is nearly new.
Any manufacturer can have problems. I've had a broken Walther and Glock so far, but no broken Taurus. Ruger and Kimber have recently had some problems with some models. Taurus has, as well over the years. I haven't had to use it yet, but Taurus has a lifetime warranty on all their firearms, and they advertise that they were the first in the industry to offer one. I haven't researched to see if that's true or not, but that's their claim. Several manufacturers offer them now. From what I've read this past year or so, they've gotten quicker in servicing the guns now, as well.
What's pathetic are posts by some people who say things like "I've never owned one and I never will because their quality sucks." Those people aren't even worth listening to. If they haven't got any experience, then don't say anything!
Just something to think about
I sell firearms for a living
I had a Kel-Tec, NEW, P-11. I shot it exactly 8 rounds, the ninth one fired with the breech partially open. Warped the entire gun, scared the life out of me & the shooters around me. I still sell them & people love them
I just sold a S&W 22a, camo. Client took it out and could not get the mag into the gun. Grip was made wrong. I still sell them & people love them.
I own a Taurus P-945. I love it, it shoots great. Some people won't buy them
& I RECOMMEND & SELL THEM also.
It Is Not The Make Of Gun, It Is The Individual Gun
Just my personal and business opinion
I sell firearms for a living
I had a Kel-Tec, NEW, P-11. I shot it exactly 8 rounds, the ninth one fired with the breech partially open. Warped the entire gun, scared the life out of me & the shooters around me. I still sell them & people love them
I just sold a S&W 22a, camo. Client took it out and could not get the mag into the gun. Grip was made wrong. I still sell them & people love them.
I own a Taurus P-945. I love it, it shoots great. Some people won't buy them
& I RECOMMEND & SELL THEM also.
It Is Not The Make Of Gun, It Is The Individual Gun
Just my personal and business opinion
LockedBreech
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That is a bit silly. I do not have to have a deadly disease to know it is not enjoyable to have one. I don't have to own a Jennings-Bryco to be aware of their unsafe quality. And I don't have to own a Taurus to know that they seem to have 20-40% more quality control issues reported by shooters than brands that sell similar amounts at a similar price point.
It is perfectly valid to form an opinion based on research rather than firsthand anecdotal experience. In fact, it is better than anecdotal evidence from a validity standpoint
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Nice to see you followed up.
The Brand name is defiantly is in question, I've always said when in doubt, dump it (I have unrelated experiences in life similar to so).
TBS, although I bought a Taurus 608, and shot the "Hell" (3000+ .357s, 8 shot's at a time) out of it, after me seeing bad things, I opt for the main steam USA brands.
Nice to see you followed up.
The Brand name is defiantly is in question, I've always said when in doubt, dump it (I have unrelated experiences in life similar to so).
TBS, although I bought a Taurus 608, and shot the "Hell" (3000+ .357s, 8 shot's at a time) out of it, after me seeing bad things, I opt for the main steam USA brands.
not a taurus basher, and i have much experience with them. got one because the best gunsmith in my area told me to. mine is a 24/7 pro .45 and 738 tcp. my range buddies ( we shoot at least twice a month) have 7, polys and steel framed guns. they are all trust worthy. i have put at least 5000 rounds through my 24/7 and the only malfunctions have been with one brand of steel cased ammo. the tcp had a few feeding probs with the first 2 boxes run through it (break in rounds). i purposly shoot my .45 untill it's absolutly filthy just to see if it will malfunction to see if i can trust it with mine and my loved ones lives. i can and do. all of my glock buddies love the ergonomics of both and say they're jealous of the fantastic triggers. two have traded their glocks for tauri and are happy. i highly reccomend them because of my first hand experience with them. should you buy one? well, does it fit your needs, your hand, your carry prefrence, whatever, i don't know. thats the beauty of being an American, we have choices. get what feels right for you and your budget. i think they are fine trustworthy weapons at a great price. be wary of people talking out of their a@# that have never owned one. the only non taurus guns on my list are not available from taurus. if they start making an M1A national match clone ...
Mike Irwin
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My only in-depth experience with a Taurus is my little PT-22, which I use as a pocket carry gun when I need something small.
In over 2,500 rounds of Winchester Wildcat, it's had 0 failures to feed, 0 failures to fire, and 0 failures to eject.
Can't ask for better service than that, especially not from a small .22.
In over 2,500 rounds of Winchester Wildcat, it's had 0 failures to feed, 0 failures to fire, and 0 failures to eject.
Can't ask for better service than that, especially not from a small .22.
What's silly is comparing Taurus with having a deadly disease.
In my opinion, cars would be a better comparison. Taurus is like Hyundai. Hyundai has had a lower-than-average reputation earlier in their history, but today are known for building quality cars with the best warranty in the industry, while at the same time having a lower cost-of-ownership than nearly everyone else.
That sounds a lot like Taurus. It certainly matches my experience so far (spanning nearly 25 years with their guns).
dalegribble
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"And I don't have to own a Taurus to know that they seem to have 20-40% more quality control issues reported by shooters than brands that sell similar amounts at a similar price point."
seem? 20 to 40%? post your sources instead of just making up numbers and putting them on the internet. 20 to 40% is a very big spread, when you make up numbers you should at least try to make them believable.
seem? 20 to 40%? post your sources instead of just making up numbers and putting them on the internet. 20 to 40% is a very big spread, when you make up numbers you should at least try to make them believable.
dalegribble...
... not sure about his 20% to 40%.
I am sure that a friend who manages a large LGS sent back 6 Public Defenders (NIB in box with issues) this calendar year. I know he's sent back several Judges (NIB). And I know his dealership is discontinuing sales of all Taurus models except the PT92 because they've had too many issues; and that they've been discussing such issues with Taurus' sales department for the last four years, without getting satisfactory responses.
... not sure about his 20% to 40%.
I am sure that a friend who manages a large LGS sent back 6 Public Defenders (NIB in box with issues) this calendar year. I know he's sent back several Judges (NIB). And I know his dealership is discontinuing sales of all Taurus models except the PT92 because they've had too many issues; and that they've been discussing such issues with Taurus' sales department for the last four years, without getting satisfactory responses.
LockedBreech
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@ghaleen
What you're doing there is a classic debate fallacy. You're contradicting a premise I never stated. I said:
I stated this as a direct contradiction to your point that hands-on experience is necessary to express an informed opinion. I could have easily used a thousand other examples there. For instance, I've never sustained a major internal injury, but I don't need to have one to understand that it's a horrible experience. I can infer from all the examples and information in my life that it's a bad experience without direct experience.
At no point did I compare owning a Taurus to having a deadly disease. You're right, that would have been silly, had I made that comparison.
I still wouldn't buy a Hyundai. Why would I? Their reputation still rests on a shaky foundation, even if it's recently better. If I can spend the same amount of money on a vastly more proven platform, say a Honda Accord instead of a Hyundai Sonata, why wouldn't I? I spend similar money, maybe a touch more, for a serious investment. Just like a gun. Why not spend the extra bit of money for an extra bit of security?
In addition, as MLeake contributed, QC at Taurus has gotten worse, not better.
@dalegribble
First off, I find your tone to be unnecessarily confrontational. I posted my opinion about a gun. I didn't attack anyone or accuse them of fabrication.
To address the actual criticism, it may be helpful to read what I actually posted:
Note the terms bolded. I never once claimed 20-40% to be a quantitative measurement of the failure rate of Taurus firearms. In my experience (that's the seem) on five major gun forums, there are roughly that many more complaints about Taurus in my estimation than other major brands, even brands that sell significantly more firearms such as Ruger. Reported by shooters refers to these posters, a sample size of at least a few hundred since I started regularly lurking and posting, as well as six personal friends and family members who have owned Taurus firearms, five of whom got rid of them due to quality control errors.
None of us can actually know the percentage of Taurus firearms that fail. We would have to know the exact number produced and the exact number of customer service claims. It would be silly, though, to spend such a significant amount of money without making inferences from the data available.
ghalleen said:
What you're doing there is a classic debate fallacy. You're contradicting a premise I never stated. I said:
LawScholar said:
I stated this as a direct contradiction to your point that hands-on experience is necessary to express an informed opinion. I could have easily used a thousand other examples there. For instance, I've never sustained a major internal injury, but I don't need to have one to understand that it's a horrible experience. I can infer from all the examples and information in my life that it's a bad experience without direct experience.
At no point did I compare owning a Taurus to having a deadly disease. You're right, that would have been silly, had I made that comparison.
ghalleen said:
I still wouldn't buy a Hyundai. Why would I? Their reputation still rests on a shaky foundation, even if it's recently better. If I can spend the same amount of money on a vastly more proven platform, say a Honda Accord instead of a Hyundai Sonata, why wouldn't I? I spend similar money, maybe a touch more, for a serious investment. Just like a gun. Why not spend the extra bit of money for an extra bit of security?
In addition, as MLeake contributed, QC at Taurus has gotten worse, not better.
@dalegribble
dalegribble said:
First off, I find your tone to be unnecessarily confrontational. I posted my opinion about a gun. I didn't attack anyone or accuse them of fabrication.
To address the actual criticism, it may be helpful to read what I actually posted:
LawScholar said:
Note the terms bolded. I never once claimed 20-40% to be a quantitative measurement of the failure rate of Taurus firearms. In my experience (that's the seem) on five major gun forums, there are roughly that many more complaints about Taurus in my estimation than other major brands, even brands that sell significantly more firearms such as Ruger. Reported by shooters refers to these posters, a sample size of at least a few hundred since I started regularly lurking and posting, as well as six personal friends and family members who have owned Taurus firearms, five of whom got rid of them due to quality control errors.
None of us can actually know the percentage of Taurus firearms that fail. We would have to know the exact number produced and the exact number of customer service claims. It would be silly, though, to spend such a significant amount of money without making inferences from the data available.
Ace_Breaker
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When it comes to self defense I carry an Hk P7. Why? Because I feel, for me, it's the quickest, most reliable, most accurate handgun I've ever owned. I can spell out why it is such a good gun.
1) fixed barrel for better accuracy.
2) polygonal rifling for longer life and possibly better accuracy.
3) gas piston allows action a delay so that the round leaves the weapon before cycling, which adds to accuracy because no muzzle flip before round exits gun.
4) gas piston also pushes brass out regardless if the extractor being broken or not. If the extractor were to break the brass still ejects.
5) the gas piston reduces recoil and prevents limp wristing.
6) the frame is made from solid high quality steel from Germany.
7) the mag seats into the weapon at such an angle that rounds are fed directly into the chamber therefore making feeding issues nearly impossible.
8)the grip safety makes for a super safe handgun. The weapon can be cocked, fired, decocked by the grip safety. The grip safety is also the slide release making it extremely fast to reload. The grip both releases the slide, cocks the gun, removes the safety in one movement.
9) superb single action trigger. How many other weapons have a single action trigger which can be decocked by a simple release of the grip?
10) perfect grip angle and low bore axis.
11) etc., etc., etc.
Let's talk about Taurus. Let me know specifics regarding engineering and design that put a Tauri on top of your list. What makes it better than other carry weapons. What is better about the design or materials used that makes it so good. Where is the steel made? Spell it out, please sell me on the bull!
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1) fixed barrel for better accuracy.
2) polygonal rifling for longer life and possibly better accuracy.
3) gas piston allows action a delay so that the round leaves the weapon before cycling, which adds to accuracy because no muzzle flip before round exits gun.
4) gas piston also pushes brass out regardless if the extractor being broken or not. If the extractor were to break the brass still ejects.
5) the gas piston reduces recoil and prevents limp wristing.
6) the frame is made from solid high quality steel from Germany.
7) the mag seats into the weapon at such an angle that rounds are fed directly into the chamber therefore making feeding issues nearly impossible.
8)the grip safety makes for a super safe handgun. The weapon can be cocked, fired, decocked by the grip safety. The grip safety is also the slide release making it extremely fast to reload. The grip both releases the slide, cocks the gun, removes the safety in one movement.
9) superb single action trigger. How many other weapons have a single action trigger which can be decocked by a simple release of the grip?
10) perfect grip angle and low bore axis.
11) etc., etc., etc.
Let's talk about Taurus. Let me know specifics regarding engineering and design that put a Tauri on top of your list. What makes it better than other carry weapons. What is better about the design or materials used that makes it so good. Where is the steel made? Spell it out, please sell me on the bull!
1) .....
it's a bad idea but i have to. what is up with talking so much crap about taurus when you "seem" to know things about "other shooters reports" the only people that should post on this thread are current or former owners, dealers, and 'smiths. if you are reporting what you've heard, what you've been told, what you've read etc. then SHUT UP. people looking at a taurus firearm have the right to make the decision to buy, or not buy, based on facts, not an opinion from someone who's jealous because they got ripped off by paying twice as much for a name. me and my taurus 24/7 pro ($369) will be glad to show you, at the range any day. how about 1000 rounds? no cleaning or lubrication added. bring your baddest mega buck custom whatever, first gun to fail goes into the river. any takers?
Ace_Breaker
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Let me start off by asking, do you have any experience with other firearms? This is not to be meant as an insult. Usually experience with a quality weapon cures the Tauri bug and a realization for quality, design, workmanship, etc. is experienced. My P7 PSP or P7m8 vs. 24/7, thanks for the good laugh. You made my day!
Ok, then. I'm assuming weekends work best for you? I have jujitsu on Sundays from 11am to 1pm, although this weekend I have an IDPA event on Sunday. Other than that, my weekends are pretty open.
Weekdays also work for me, for the next few weeks. Send me a PM, and we'll set something up.
Weekdays also work for me, for the next few weeks. Send me a PM, and we'll set something up.
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